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    Default Court Allows Police to Force Users to Unlock iPhones with Touch ID but not Passcodes


    According to a Circuit Court judge in Virginia, fingerprints arenít protected by the Fifth Amendment which means that a criminal defendant can be compelled to give up a fingerprint to a fingerprint-protected device like the newer iPhones and iPad. That being said the defendant cannot be forced to hand over a passcode to police officers for the purpose of unlocking a device.

    For those of you who didnít know, the Fifth Amendment states that ďno person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,Ē which protects memorized information like passwords and passcodes but it doesnít extend to fingerprints. This particular ruling stemmed from a case involving David Baust who was accused of strangling his girlfriend. Prosecutors in the case believed that Baust may have stored a video of the attack on his smartphone and asked the judge to force him to unlock it.

    If protected by a passcode he wonít be required to unlock it but if protected with a fingerprint, he could potentially be forced to unlock the device. If his iPhone is equipped with Touch ID, itís very likely that it will be passcode locked at this point and therefore protected by law. Touch ID typically requires a passcode after 48 hours of disuse, a restart or three failed fingerprint entry attempts. Since the device has been under policy custody for quite some time, this should protect him under the Fifth Amendment. Itís unclear if the judgeís ruling will impact future cases that involves devices protected with fingerprint sensors but the whole concept may be overturned by an appeal or a higher court. Weíll have to wait and see what happens.

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    So do a hard reset with power and home if there is ever a chance you may get arrested.

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    Just move your finger a bit down so that it scans where it's not registered. Do that 3 times and it'll require your password.

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    That works too but when it comes down to it a hard reset is a sure thing. I'd hate to accidentally unlock it and have to start over.

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    **** the police!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by atorres062 View Post
    **** the police!!!!!!
    It's amazing, though, how much better the world is because of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpidermanAPV View Post
    It's amazing, though, how much better the world is because of them.
    Yes and no, the law is a double edge sword. There's good honorable cops and cops that abuse their authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atorres062 View Post
    Yes and no, the law is a double edge sword. There's good honorable cops and cops that abuse their authority.
    In my personal experience I see a lot more of the good side. I'll admit that there are the bad ones, but the good far outweighs them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpidermanAPV View Post
    In my personal experience I see a lot more of the good side. I'll admit that there are the bad ones, but the good far outweighs them.
    I've experienced both sides and unfortunately the bad makes me dislike them. But I have close friends that are in law inforcement and it's unfortunate that the bad give the good a bad rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpidermanAPV View Post
    It's amazing, though, how much better the world is because of them.
    The world is not better because of police! The world is only better because of God! The government causes 90% of US problems and the police are dead smack in the middle of it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles46 View Post
    Just move your finger a bit down so that it scans where it's not registered. Do that 3 times and it'll require your password.
    or remote wipe the phone lol
    i feel like cops are just rly stupid now days
    Last edited by MPS3; 2014-11-01 at 07:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jokadaking View Post
    The world is not better because of police! The world is only better because of God! The government causes 90% of US problems and the police are dead smack in the middle of it!
    I hope you're joking. If you are, let me be the first to tell you that it's not the least bit funny. If not, then do humanity a favor and forgo breeding. Thanks.
    They can have my jailbreak when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noodles46 View Post
    Just move your finger a bit down so that it scans where it's not registered. Do that 3 times and it'll require your password.
    or use the wrong finger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patoons View Post
    or use the wrong finger.
    Bingo
    They don't know what finger you use so just use the wrong ones a few times and there you go....locked for a passcode and a reboot will require it anyway.
    Smitty

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    From my understanding the Judge ruled that the passcode is considered knowledge and thats why it protected and the fingerprint is not. With that in mind, isnt the knowledge of which finger unlocks the phone also "knowledge" and considered protected? Then they would have to guess which finger opens the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robertsdp View Post
    From my understanding the Judge ruled that the passcode is considered knowledge and thats why it protected and the fingerprint is not. With that in mind, isnt the knowledge of which finger unlocks the phone also "knowledge" and considered protected? Then they would have to guess which finger opens the phone.
    I don't see why they couldn't just order you to try each finger. If one finger is allowed, I'm not sure all 10 wouldn't be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by novadam View Post
    I don't see why they couldn't just order you to try each finger. If one finger is allowed, I'm not sure all 10 wouldn't be.
    Yeah I'm sure they would, but then they are stuck with the phone being locked out after the whatever attempts the phone allows, so all the suspect needs to do is use the wrong fingers first.

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    I think they might catch on when you start with the pinkie finger of your non-dominant hand. Seems like it's be a heck of a lot easier to just hold sleep and home if the cops knock at your door.

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    or just flush it down the toilet. Or does that only work with coke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by novadam View Post
    or just flush it down the toilet. Or does that only work with coke?
    Well, I know for sure you can't snort an iPhone.

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