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Thread: Samsung and HTC Respond to Apple's Antenna Allegations

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosestache View Post
    Ok, every single Iphone has the same problem. They all lose a ton of signal when you hold the phone in your left hand. Every single phone. Not .55% not 1.7% every single iphone 4 does it. The thing is, that doesn't bother some people. If you have 4 bars and drop down to 2 bars what difference does it make? Before the patch you could drop a large amount and still have full bars. If you aren't using the iphone as a phone, what difference does it make? If you put a case on it, and that case works to do away with interference you may be happy.

    All of that doesn't change the fact that the iphone 4 loses much more signal, if held in your left hand, than any other phone out there, including the iphone 3g, and iphone 3gs. That is why apple is sending out bumpers to everyone who bought an iphone 4, and also why there stock has dropped ever since the consumer reports article was published. I have a couple of friends who bought iphone 4's and were pissed when their signals dropped. They bought cases and now they are happy. My wife and son have 4's and they are happy with them, the signal is good enough for them.

    That all being said, it was a piss poor design, and it was a design that Steve Jobs pushed as an innovative feature. He also hyped the amazing reception that the iphone would have, it isn't as good as my 3gs was.

    So what to do now? I still love the features in the iphone, more so than in the droid x or the captivate, and changing from at&t to Verizon is a big pain in the *** to me. I'm also familiar with how the iphone works, I have had them for 2 years now. I just wish the phone part didn't suck.
    I don't know if you are agreeing with me or disagreeing with me.

    Yes, all the iPhone 4's have the reception problem, but NOT all in the same area. I can go 3 blocks from my house and the signal is perfect, no matter how I hold it. I can go 3 miles from my house and I will loose all bars and it will have to search for a network.

    So for me, it's a non-issue. My new Otterbox will protect it very well in both aspects.

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    If all phones do this why didn't they demo the 3g or previous iphones instead of only bashing other phones.

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    Does anyone here not see that by the time the cases are available from Apple's website. The 30 day return period will be over. Late this week you can order your case/bumper. By the time it is delivered it will be to late for most people

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    there just trying to take some of the blame of them by saying o its a problem in all smart phones which may or may not be true but its still a **** move

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpgpromaster View Post
    No, They should have, Every phone looses signal when a hand is placed over a antenna and the reason why I think that "everyone" has complained about the "death grip" is because apple have sold over 3M iPhone 4s and most cellphone companys don't sell half that many on one type/model of a phone.
    And because apple over the past few years have grown massive in such a shot time have gained the reputation of the iPhones being very good and everyone wanting them as soon as they are released. That will causes problems like thousands of people complaining that they have a problem.
    But a thousand is a very large number of people, But what people don't understand is 1000 out of 3 million is actually very small. so even if 1 thousand people complain, to other companys they is like "wow there must be something terribly wrong with there phone if that many people are complaining" but in fact out of the 3 mill people only a few thousand complain.... common guys, that's a low number in comparison to the total units sold isn't it, just stop complaining, apple are trying to do a fix and if that fix doesn't work then they will re-evaluate and maybe add a material over the antenna, change the design or the free case might solve the issue.

    Im not saying the iPhone 4 doesn't have any problems because it does but so does other companys phones, they are just annoyed that apple have announced that there phones have a problem as well, they could have given out free cases also but, oh no they couldn't do that now could they, they need all the time they can get to write a meaningless response to apple. (btw I am not a apple fan boy :P)

    Ok rant over, sorry if I didn't make my self clear in that. (I got a bit confused while typing it )
    You wreak of fanboy-ism. The point of this topic is that Apple shouldn't have brought everyone else into the mix. The way I saw them holding the other phones, it looked like they were squeeze extra hard to make their point. I have a nexus one, and i hold my phone around the same place where Apple's antenna is, that just how I hold my phone naturally. If I had an iPhone 4 and I held my phone the same way that I hold my nexus, and i lose signal, you better believe I would be pissed. But the way they were holding the blackberry phone and the droid, who the hell cuffs their hand around the phone like that. The point is that it is a problem, and just because you dont complain doesnt mean that the problem doesnt exist. Do I call tech support every time I have an issue with a product? I either return it or I try some other way of fixing it. Their statistics are ******** and I never believe what they say. They base it regarding how many people called regarding the problem. That is to say that every apple rep documented every time someone called and never missed a single time. I call BS. Apple's data always seemed crooked in some way, like they just through a number out there that looks good and gives them a good image. Anyway, point is they should fix the **** and not bring everyone else into the mix. If they wanted a real test, hold the blackberry, omnia, and eris the EXACT same way you would hold your iphone, in my case around the same spot i hold my nexus and the spot where the antenna is on the iphone 4. i doubt they would all respond the same. therefore, apple should focus on their mistake and how THEIR customers hold THEIR phones and stop trying to sweep everything under the rug. Just cuz, according them, every phone has this issue, doesnt make it okay that the phone is not working right.


    FYI THE DROID SOLD MORE THAN 3 Million phones and surpassed apple.
    Last edited by Iman07; 2010-07-20 at 02:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iman07 View Post
    FYI THE DROID SOLD MORE THAN 3 Million phones and surpassed apple.
    Which Droid?

    If you say the X, you're a liar.

    If you say the original, then I guess it's someone else's turn in the obvious game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
    Which Droid?

    If you say the X, you're a liar.

    If you say the original, then I guess it's someone else's turn in the obvious game.
    the original droid. the x just came out like 4 days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhekt View Post
    The only reason these other phone companies havnt been in the media spotlight about their reception issues previously is due to the fact that they DON'T SELL millions of phones in a one month span. They're just upset that their issue is being brought to the spotlight. Whereas it was previously swept quite cleanly under the carpet and dealt with it on a case by case issue. OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT HAPPY apple called them out. DOESNT MEAN IT'S NOT TRUE
    You are missing the point.

    Apple is deflecting the problem to other companies!

    Their design is different, unique, etc.
    They have an obligation to their customers to fix real world problems.

    If they don't...the rest of us won't buy the product.

    SAYING that other smartphones have antenna problems does not fix THEIR PROBLEM, even if it was true!

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    Apple should uphold their responsibility and not blame others for their shoddy build quality on the new iPhone 4. You think after all this time, they would have had the iphone equation better than ever before.

    This is why I hate Apple, their such a 'perfect' company.
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    Good it was a **** move by apple to bash other phones when they have a problem. Suck it up and fix it instead of acting like a bunch of little kids with a problem and saying "but... but... everyone has the problem too..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALAN523 View Post
    @everyone
    yall making a huge deal. i have no problem with mine.
    there you have it @everyone. Alan doesnt have a problem so it's must be a non-issue

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    They were not bashing anyone they were just proving a point. Yes it does suck that they named names. But people recognize those brand names.
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    Good business strategy from apple. Drag eveybody down with it.

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    I was able to replicate this on a Verizon phone and a non-iPhone AT&T phone, etc. It seems to be that although it can be replicated RIM/Nokia/HTC/Samsung just didn't like getting called out on it. When you're as high profile as Apple is, people are going to take shots at you but sometimes the only way to prove that your product's issues are not limited to that product are by dragging in your competitors to show they have the same issues. Its kinda shady and underhanded but sometimes that is the only way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    I did own one and I returned it because "bumper" solution is unacceptable, though I got my money back where is my money I spent on iPhone 4 apps? How am I getting that back?

    Oh! Let me remind you, Jobs admitted the faulty design. So in actuality everyone who owns iPhone 4 have this issue, just that you have not run into it.
    I don't understand why you didn't just take your iPhone 4 back and ask for a new one that didn't have this issue, you could have proved the issue to the Apple store staff (if you actually had one at all) and they would have given you one without any problems and then you wouldn't have had to lose your money that you invested in it's apps, secondly if you didn't want to stay with the iPhone 4 you could have gone with a 3GS and continued to use those apps you bought.

    Also in that press conference Steve Jobs didn't "admit" a design issue, he said "we screwed up on our algorithm" meaning that their software slightly out from what it should have been. If he had "admitted" a design issue then he would have under huge pressure to recall iPhone 4's.
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    The guys hands are red from squeezing the phone so hard. Look at his thumb.
    Android user suffering from iPhone withdraw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mwr_allen View Post
    I don't understand why you didn't just take your iPhone 4 back and ask for a new one that didn't have this issue, you could have proved the issue to the Apple store staff (if you actually had one at all) and they would have given you one without any problems
    No, they wouldn't have.

    Quote Originally Posted by cerote View Post
    They were not bashing anyone they were just proving a point. Yes it does suck that they named names. But people recognize those brand names.
    What I take issue with is their misdirection by pointing the finger at the competition. Yes, cell phones can lose reception when held certain ways, that's a fact. However, the iPhone does have a design flaw in it's external antenna; otherwise, the problem wouldn't be resolvable by simply applying a piece of nonconductive tape over the lower left side. All Jobs' did was try and pull the wool over our eyes and completely avoid the issue at hand.
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    True but since SJ mentioned someone to make a band-aid someone did.







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    Even though issue with "do not touch in certain places" existed, he should've thought that this is simply childish to point at competitors in a situation like this. He looked pathetic and stupid... and the company as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
    No, they wouldn't have.



    What I take issue with is their misdirection by pointing the finger at the competition. Yes, cell phones can lose reception when held certain ways, that's a fact. However, the iPhone does have a design flaw in it's external antenna; otherwise, the problem wouldn't be resolvable by simply applying a piece of nonconductive tape over the lower left side. All Jobs' did was try and pull the wool over our eyes and completely avoid the issue at hand.
    "there is no design flaw"

    In the press conference Steve said they knew about this issue.

    It's just more noticeable because there is a split in the antenna that shows where "the magic spot" is.

    If the antenna didn't have this split in the lower corners you wouldn't know where it is on the left spot hence why he said x marks the spot.

    Another argument against your points that I keep bringing up and no one seems to answer.

    What if the iPhone 4 came with the bumpers permanently on from the factory. You wouldn't be complaining about it then.

    The solutions are there.

    ALL phones do it. It is not a design flaw. Live with it or move to another phone that will have the same type of problem.

    Apple did the right and smart thing by proving their data with evidence.

    Get a case and use your phone or return it and get your money back.

    @the person who is saying he returned his i4 but is trying to justify his arguments about apps he purchased and why he doesn't receive a refund.

    That's like saying you buy a windows based computer. Buy different applications for it. Turns out you don't like the computer so you return it. Now you paid for all these applications that are useless. And complaining that u should get a refund for these apps as well.

    BUYING these applications you should know they only work with that platform. It is not apples responsibility for you to know that. It's pretty much a given.

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