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Thread: Samsung and HTC Respond to Apple's Antenna Allegations

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    Apple did the correct thing by outing the other companies with similar issues. If droid would of had this issue with their smart phones it probably would of never been this big of an issue, but since it's apple the leading smartphone maker and best selling computer company people automatically get irate. Just think of all apple offers you, you can turn your iPhone in for any made up reason as long as your within your year contract just take it to an applestore or AT&T store for a free replacement. Plus my friend has the blackberry 9700 and when held the same way the iPhone 4 is held the signal drops but did they make a big deal out of it NO!!! Their will always be small bugs and issues when we the public get our hands on a new consumer product plus apple is giving away millions in free bumpers, no other phone maker I know of dose anything like that they just state that there is a recall on the phone.


    Personly I have had 1 droped call on my behalf on the iPhone 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snoopyrph View Post
    You just don't get it do you? yes the design is radical and beautiful, that's why it appeal to most people. Although, it has flaw therefore need to fix it. If it was originally has a bumper than I doubt that many people even look at it. you might as well put it in your ziplock bag. For me I like the look and feel of it as well as functionalities, but to cover it which add some thickness to it, doesnt look as appealing. That's why Steve design the thinnest smartphone on the market. Well that doesn't hold true anymore with the bumper or should I said BUMMER
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    Nokia’s claim of superior antenna performance falls flat
    Monday, July 19, 2010 - 03:11 PM EDT
    "At last weeks iPhone 4 press conference, Apple CEO Steve Jobs tried to demonstrate how signal attenuation based on how one holds a smartphone is not unique to the iPhone 4," Edible Apple reports.

    "Driving the point home, Jobs showed video footage of 3 smartphones (a BlackBerry Bold, an HTC Droid Eris, and a Samsung Omnia II) who all exhibited the same behavior as the iPhone when a hand is placed over the antenna," Edible Apple reports. "Conspicuously absent from Jobs’ video demo was Nokia, who nonetheless sought to use the iPhone 4 press conference as a means to thrust themselves into the spotlight. In a press release issued last Friday, Nokia boldly proclaimed how, unlike Apple, it prioritizes antenna performance over design."

    Edible Apple reports, "Here’s a page (see full article link below) from the Nokia 6230i user guide. And whatdya know, Nokia has the audacity to tell users how to grip their own phones. How dare they! ...Meanwhile, a number of [Nokia] forum users suggest that affected users should hold the Nokia N90 at the center of the device or use a headset if they want decent reception. Apparently 'antennagate' stretches back more than 5 years."

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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    I did own one and I returned it because "bumper" solution is unacceptable, though I got my money back where is my money I spent on iPhone 4 apps? How am I getting that back?
    I do agree that a "Bumper or Case" is not a true fix. I do have to ask though, isn't the only iPhone 4 app the iMovie app? I would think if you contacted iTunes about your problem they would refund your $5.

    I purchased Pages for my iPad and it didn't work for the Word Templates that I have and when I issued a complaint about it, they issued me a refund for the $10 that I spent on it.

    Other than that, what other app is designed for the iPhone 4 only?

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    I think you might want to reword that...
    Nokia "suggest" how to hold it for best performance.
    If anything is is more similar to AppleCare bulletin of putting the phone on a table for no dropped bars.
    Jobs is "You are holding it wrong!" is very different
    Nokia said for best performance does not mean dropped calls.
    So a test needs to be done, and not this cheap shot.
    Last edited by unison999; 2010-07-19 at 09:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messany View Post
    [IMG] Apple is obviously hoping will put the "Death Grip" issue to rest once and for all.
    How will it put it to rest... if you remove the case its back... apple needs to fix the actual hardware... lol bandaid fix is what this is called... but bandaids fall off.....

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    This whole situation is getting crazy. Jobs should have never brought the other companies into this. He really should have addressed his product and his product alone, he's not the CEO of those companies. But of course what better way to make your product look better then to bring out the problems of others. He had a good chance of blowing away the competition with a good product but instead he half-assed it and resorts to "everybody's got problems" tactic. I'm not bashing the iPhone 4 cause it is a great product, so far mine hasn't had any of these problems. But if enough people complain about something wouldn't it warrant a closer look...

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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    I did own one and I returned it because "bumper" solution is unacceptable, though I got my money back where is my money I spent on iPhone 4 apps? How am I getting that back?
    First of all I don't know of any iPhone 4 ONLY apps. Secondly, maybe you shouldn't have bought iPhone apps for a phone you were planning to return, retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doran View Post
    Other than that, what other app is designed for the iPhone 4 only?
    You are correct, I meant to say is programs I would not have bought if I did not have iPhone 4 and not program specifically written for iPhone 4. I stand corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justdan0227 View Post
    I agree with what you said with the exception of "Wasting time testing others' phones that clearly work fine"

    The question has never been if the iPhone works or not. I have one and it works just fine. It was simply the display of the bars that is in question which was demonstrated to happen with all phones that use this similar technology.
    Mine works fine too, I can't reproduce this, ever.. but tell that to people who dropped calls while holding it. Not many units were affected, but the percentage was large enough to cause class action lawsuits. Believing Steve that this is a "calculation of the bars" issue is just silly.. c'mon. 4.0.1 is out. If that were the case all these people would be fixed now. We'd have seen it in the 3GS, etc.

    That being said, it was still blown out of proportion and people need to shut up and take the free case, or return the phone. Don't play the denial card though.. just because you're fine doesn't mean everyone is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    I did own one and I returned it because "bumper" solution is unacceptable, though I got my money back where is my money I spent on iPhone 4 apps? How am I getting that back?

    Without our complaints what would be Apple's solution to this reception problem? Exactly what Apple Care bulletin says a day after iPhone 4 came out? if you put it on a table sitting by itself and the bar does not drop, there is no issue. No free bumper to anyone. That is your answer to Apple's customer care if people did not "whine" about this, since this bumper is direct result of us "whining" you better not apply for one since you do not deserve one.

    If you do not like to read about reception issues, or how bumpers is not good enough solution perhaps you should stay out of threads that contain reception issues.

    BTW if you want a poll done it should have been done a long time ago, right when iPhone 4 came out. Many people that had problem with reception left iPhone 4, may not even put a vote in. So that poll would just be self serving if you do start one.




    Even Jobs do not believe that number when he said it, if the numbers is that small Consumer Reports would not bother with this test and leave their earlier recommendation. If the number were that small, Jobs would not bother with a press conference. If the numbers were that small there would not be a Apple Care bulletin telling customer service not to give out bumpers. If the numbers were that small, Jobs would just mail each of those 16500 people their bumpers.
    I wonder if the 0.55% includes customer turned away because customer service did the bulletin test where they put the phone on counter by itself if bar does not go down there is no issue. I would imagine just this would be more than that 0.55%.

    Oh! Let me remind you, Jobs admitted the faulty design. So in actuality everyone who owns iPhone 4 have this issue, just that you have not run into it.
    OK, the deal is. The majority of iPhone 4 owners are NOT having any of these issues. It would seem that you dont have this issue any longer either. It's sad that these customers are having this problem and it's turning them away. I feel that this phone is awesome even with it's "flaws". Keep in mind that all iPhones have had their isseus. The latest iPhone is no exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    You are correct, I meant to say is programs I would not have bought if I did not have iPhone 4 and not program specifically written for iPhone 4. I stand corrected.
    Still, what programs did you buy that you wouldn't have purchased if you didn't have the iPhone 4? For what it's worth, you could buy a Mac, a PC, or any other hardware. If that hardware fails they may replace it or refund you. The software you bought with it is your burden. This is no different than any other company. (Not saying Apple is justified in their "fix" here, but I am saying your arguments are horribly flawed).
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    Quote Originally Posted by reanimationxp View Post
    First of all I don't know of any iPhone 4 ONLY apps. Secondly, maybe you shouldn't have bought iPhone apps for a phone you were planning to return, retard..
    Problem did not show up until AFTER I bought them retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    Problem did not show up until AFTER I bought them retard.
    I am NOT trying to stoke the fire with you unison. That being said, I was under the impression that the signal issue was mentioned when the first batch of pre-ordered iP4s arrived the day before the official launch. I had this info before I stood in line for 6 hours to get mine. I even showed a friend of mine the issue while I was standing in line after he got his. I also showed that my 3Gs had the same issue (though not as bad).

    I decided to ignore this and get the phone anyway, just as I did for the previous versions and their problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doran View Post
    I am NOT trying to stoke the fire with you unison. That being said, I was under the impression that the signal issue was mentioned when the first batch of pre-ordered iP4s arrived the day before the official launch. I had this info before I stood in line for 6 hours to get mine. I even showed a friend of mine the issue while I was standing in line after he got his. I also showed that my 3Gs had the same issue (though not as bad).

    I decided to ignore this and get the phone anyway, just as I did for the previous versions and their problems.
    Ok, every single Iphone has the same problem. They all lose a ton of signal when you hold the phone in your left hand. Every single phone. Not .55% not 1.7% every single iphone 4 does it. The thing is, that doesn't bother some people. If you have 4 bars and drop down to 2 bars what difference does it make? Before the patch you could drop a large amount and still have full bars. If you aren't using the iphone as a phone, what difference does it make? If you put a case on it, and that case works to do away with interference you may be happy.

    All of that doesn't change the fact that the iphone 4 loses much more signal, if held in your left hand, than any other phone out there, including the iphone 3g, and iphone 3gs. That is why apple is sending out bumpers to everyone who bought an iphone 4, and also why there stock has dropped ever since the consumer reports article was published. I have a couple of friends who bought iphone 4's and were pissed when their signals dropped. They bought cases and now they are happy. My wife and son have 4's and they are happy with them, the signal is good enough for them.

    That all being said, it was a piss poor design, and it was a design that Steve Jobs pushed as an innovative feature. He also hyped the amazing reception that the iphone would have, it isn't as good as my 3gs was.

    So what to do now? I still love the features in the iphone, more so than in the droid x or the captivate, and changing from at&t to Verizon is a big pain in the *** to me. I'm also familiar with how the iphone works, I have had them for 2 years now. I just wish the phone part didn't suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reanimationxp View Post
    Radical and new designs sometimes fail, bro. Don't like it? Buy a 3GS or a sh*tty-*** RIM.
    This is the stupidest justification I have heard in a LONG time...
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    The only reason these other phone companies havnt been in the media spotlight about their reception issues previously is due to the fact that they DON'T SELL millions of phones in a one month span. They're just upset that their issue is being brought to the spotlight. Whereas it was previously swept quite cleanly under the carpet and dealt with it on a case by case issue. OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT HAPPY apple called them out. DOESNT MEAN IT'S NOT TRUE

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhekt View Post
    The only reason these other phone companies havnt been in the media spotlight about their reception issues previously is due to the fact that they DON'T SELL millions of phones in a one month span. They're just upset that their issue is being brought to the spotlight. Whereas it was previously swept quite cleanly under the carpet and dealt with it on a case by case issue. OF COURSE THEY'RE NOT HAPPY apple called them out. DOESNT MEAN IT'S NOT TRUE
    It may be true, however, if it doesn't cause a problem for most users it doesn't become an issue. For many of us, the iphone 4 is unusable without a case. That is a problem that rightly deserves attention.

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    people need to stfu, if they don't like the iphone 4 return it for a full refund b****hes............. and move on

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    The Samsung Omnia comes with a sticker at the bottom that clearly tells you not to hold the phone there...

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