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    While Apple has continued to push innovation and expectations in the smartphone market, they have also been the most scrutinized maker of smartphones as well. Media doesn't understand what drives people to line up days in advanced for a phone so what do they do, analyze every detail, nook , cranny and fault that they can find Even with the slew of Android, Windows and other phones releasing regularly none face tougher critics than the iPhone. HTC and Sprint pushed huge marketing campaigns for months to build anticipation for the EVO, only to receive what iPhone users would see as a Luke warm reception when you look at the numbers.
    Most people who have their iPhone 4 now have braved some sort of massive line or crowd to be one of the early adopters. Why? Because at some point we have all bought into the idea that Apple makes a better product. Not perfect otherwise there would be no need to jailbreak, but a standard that exceeds that of Google, Microsoft, or any other maker of smartphones and or smartphone OS. This is not the first time that Apple has blundered, people were irate in 2007 with the price drop two months after it went on sale. Later they gave early adopters an in-store credit.

    I hear many people complain on this thread for the sake of complaining, or in the hopes that they can get something free from Apple, believe me that's ok too, but if I'm being, totally honest... I just don't care. I think that if customer satisfaction wasn't Apple's goal they wouldn't offer a bumper that they can sell to you for 30 bucks. I think if they told us all to deal with the problem or return the phone, we'd deal with it. We just become so influenced by the media that we will the antenna to be a problem ( not saying there is not a defect, just stating that we all don't have the issue), or we rant and rave to see how much free stuff we can get if we milk the problem. I see it as almost comical as there're are so many complaints about what the iPhone is doing wrong yet most of us are the first to be in in line to get our second third and even fourth iPhone. Statistics said that a majority of people lining up already had iPhones, so if Apple knows that their users are loyal don't you think that they are going to work to get it right. Reality check... they may not fix it for this release, but I'm willing to bet that it's a helluva lot more important for them to get it right in the long run for the continued success of the product than it is for them to rush to put out a duct tape type fix.

    Coming from a PR background you always shed light on the epidemic, in no way did they slander or portray their competition in a negative light, Steve simply stated that we have the same issues that our competitors do. This thread can continue to bash the press conference or bash Steve for professing that he didn't have an answer to the long term solution 22 days after it's release, but the fact of the matter is no matter where it goes from here, I'll see most of you in a line next June or July waiting for iPhone 5!
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    Steve Jobs sounds like Obama now. Blaming everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Gators View Post
    Steve Jobs sounds like Obama now. Blaming everyone else.
    But Steve didn't inherit a boatload of sh!t... and expect the snap of a finger to resolve it all. What a dumb *** post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjust View Post
    How many PS3's were perfect out the box, how many failed? How many XBOX 360's were perfect and failed? Why do people have such unbeleivable expectations over techy gear when perfection is such a utopian thought and that not of reality. Grow up people, nothing is perfect and every NEW product will have it's ratio of 'bad ones', that's the nature of the industrial world. Also, if you don't like it return it and go get a droid or some ****... sheesh
    I'm sorry but Microsoft gave me a new Xbox 360 when I got the "Ring of Death" is this issue different (faulty hardware)? Explain?

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    lol i can't believe apple is comparing the iphone antenna problems to other phones which is BS. i've used the blackberry bold it doesn't have an antenna problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arias51 View Post
    I'm sorry but Microsoft gave me a new Xbox 360 when I got the "Ring of Death" is this issue different (faulty hardware)? Explain?
    Try asking Microsoft for a new xbox because the Ethernet port wasn't fast enough. If you iPhone died you could take it too apple and instantly get a new one (no waiting 3 weeks to get it back). not the same scenario.

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    The quote was about how many Xbox's and PS3's failed... which doesn't have much relevance either. :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by arias51 View Post
    I'm sorry but Microsoft gave me a new Xbox 360 when I got the "Ring of Death" is this issue different (faulty hardware)? Explain?
    If your iPhone hardware is faulty (not working as designed), by all means, go to an Apple Store and have it replaced. I think you're having a hard time differentiating "faulty" and "flawed"

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    Quote Originally Posted by arias51 View Post
    My concern is this... what do you think your phone will be worth if they release a revised (hardware) version that fixes the issue?

    ... let's also say they release it in a month when your 30 day return policy is up. Would you be upset?

    That's my only gripe with the current situation. Love the phone, hate the attitude from Apple.
    lol your right but that is very far fetched if it did happen i guess i would still use it as a ipod touch. and i would be mad and i would just go back to Android. If ATT had the moto X, i wouldn't bother with a iphone but they don't so i guess i just have to wait for a gsm one to come out during the 4th quarter.

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    Well at least he didn't blame Bush for this (like his buddy!), only difference between Jobs and the "Self Anointed One" Let's see if the Queen of England gets a iphone4 from Obama - Naw he's not that stupid, or***. 2 big B.S.ers.

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    To the people complaining about Apples press release or about their antenna problem and demanding a recall where Steve will come to your house with a brand new, redesigned iPhone tomorrow don't have a leg to stand on in your arguments. Apple is giving you the option to either keep your phone if you are happy with it, or return it if you decide that it does not work to your satisfaction. You are not being cheated out of anything! It's 100% satisfaction guaranteed or your money back. How can they beat that deal? Maybe by giving you a free case if you are happy with it and decide to keep it.

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    Arrow People are stupid and need to take this for what it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by jcarroll View Post
    Jobs is taking this personally. He approved the design and can't/won't accept it's flawed.

    Hanging on the .55% complaints is just whistling past the graveyard. Every iPhone4 has this issue and it's not going away without a hardware fix. If you're lucky enough to not experience the "death grip" because your skin isn't conducting over the gap, good for you.

    And now he's taunting the competition? Whoa! Dumb move. Look for an all-out spoofing onslaught from the competition. Way to give the issue more life, Stevie-boy.
    This is plain retarded. Every iPhone 4 does not have the issue. I've had mine side-by-side with another iPhone 4 that did have the issue, and it has nothing to do with my skin conducting one minute and not the next. My phone is f'in perfect. I don't have a proximity problem or anything. I live in one of the humid armpits of the US (Houston), and I can guarantee you that it's humid enough to make it conduct. I've even taken the damn thing in to the restroom with the shower running and had all the mirrors fog up. It's just not every iPhone 4. Why won't people believe that?!?! The only time people care to say anything is when it's a problem. The people that are doing aOK don't give two shits.

    They think like this: "Sucks for those people...Man, I'm awesome and lucky"

    The reality, those that have the problem are UNLUCKY. Most people don't have this issue, and you whiney little pricks blow things out of proportion.

    I am NOT an apple fanboy. I begrudgingly switched to an iPhone because I've been sucking Microsoft's dangle since elementary school when I was rocking DOS, and I've been against the competition since day one. I still do NOT use nor do I really want to use a MAC. The only thing Apple that I like is the iPhone, and I started on a 3GS just last year. I think it's awesome; however, my parents both use Android phones, as do several of my close friends, and after playing with those, I find them just as intuitive and easy to use as the iPhone. Why do I not switch phones then? Because I don't have a single god damned issue. If I did, you'd better believe I'd switch phones. All I care about is the ability to use a phone, not the brand or company it comes from. If I did, I wouldn't have bought a freaking Apple product at all.

    In regards to the press release, I think it's absolutely ludicrous how everyone is bashing Apple for bringing the competition to light. If competitors' phones f'up in the same way, then why the hell not? As I said, I don't care for Apple through some emotional or psychological connection, but common sense begs the need to understand them not taking heat for something every company is experiencing. It's just stupid. It just makes you look bad and your competitors look better--for no justifiable reason. Notice how it was NEVER stated that EVERY other smart phone has this issue. He said most. He gave several prominent fixtures in the market place. How the hell is that not reasonable? He did it amicably and he was being honest, at least it seemed like it. So many people are so open to hate that they don't think about what they are doing and just jump on the bandwagon.

    Lastly...
    Maybe this antenna debacle will allow me to finally buy some Apple stock! Since this is really a non-issue, it sure would be great to jump on board while all the stupids run in circles.

    (excuse any typos in this email, it's 2:20am, and i'm trying not to wake the fiance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingjust View Post
    How many PS3's were perfect out the box, how many failed? How many XBOX 360's were perfect and failed?
    irrelevant comparisons are irrelevant. the 360 and PS3 issues didn't show up for several months into ownership and construction of those devices.

    in the case of the iPhone 4, people have been complaining in droves since launch. as in, for all 3 weeks the product has been on the market.

    and no, people aren't asking too much to expect reasonable antennae design. this is a case of form over function and now they're "addressing" it by giving out free band-aids.

    call it what it is: the cheap quick-fix for Apple to pacify some. Others like me will simply return the phone like I am going to tomorrow morning and wait until September for the "fixed" version of the phone to stealth launch, instantly devaluing all iPhones purchased from June to the end of August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_alicea View Post
    So, I think it's pretty funny how people are such little *******.
    Seriously, always complaining about something....
    Whether it is an antenna issue(which I have not had any problems with), or complaining that the latest jailbreak hasn't been released quick enough.

    Stop being such whiny little *******.

    This issue has been blown way out of proportion.
    Only .55% is reporting this issue? That's miniscule.
    But the fact that it was Apple, the media gets wind of it, and it is suddenly mass hysteria over it.

    How many products have come out with much larger concerns and a larger complaint base that are never really heard about. Seriously, move on people.

    Now, complaining that Steve "outed" the competition?
    Products are compared to each other everyday in ads and what not. Where are the complaints about that? Nobody really cares, because that is part of the business.

    If you bought an iPhone and are not happy with it, return it for a full refund.
    If you don't want to return it, that means you really do think it is a better phone, otherwise you would return and get another brand.
    I could not have put it better myself. Well said.. To all you complaining asses out there, return it or shut up! This is seriously the most over-publicized and blown up situation I've ever had the displeasure of hearing about. Grow up people and stop expecting handouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightsoarer View Post
    I could not have put it better myself. Well said.. To all you complaining asses out there, return it or shut up! This is seriously the most over-publicized and blown up situation I've ever had the displeasure of hearing about. Grow up people and stop expecting handouts.
    only the simple-minded can think the solution is that simple. many people transferred their phone numbers from other carriers putting them in a tough situation. others sold their previous phones expecting that a 4th generation product would be relatively trouble-free. many more waited several months for this phone to launch only now to be put-off by problematic developments.

    for me, it's as simple as returning the phone and I'll be taking advantage of that tomorrow. for many others, it's nowhere near that simple. but juvenile minds usually fail to critically think about other's issues.

    oh and that .55% quote is worthless. I've never called to "complain" about hardware or software issues because I don't see the purpose it would serve. and really, considering how many news reports there were, why would people feel a need to call in? it's not like issue wasn't getting attention. lol.

    if you don't understand anything else, just know that when the product line receives its stealth revision in coming months, it will be because that ".55%" was much bigger than that, because the issue was real, and because Apple knew they need to fix it. after all, if it's fine, why fix it ever?

    If you can't handle people being frustrated by the situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by UTPharmer View Post
    This is plain retarded. Every iPhone 4 does not have the issue. I've had mine side-by-side with another iPhone 4 that did have the issue, and it has nothing to do with my skin conducting one minute and not the next. My phone is f'in perfect. I don't have a proximity problem or anything. I live in one of the humid armpits of the US (Houston), and I can guarantee you that it's humid enough to make it conduct. I've even taken the damn thing in to the restroom with the shower running and had all the mirrors fog up. It's just not every iPhone 4. Why won't people believe that?!?! The only time people care to say anything is when it's a problem. The people that are doing aOK don't give two shits.

    They think like this: "Sucks for those people...Man, I'm awesome and lucky"

    The reality, those that have the problem are UNLUCKY. Most people don't have this issue, and you whiney little pricks blow things out of proportion.

    I am NOT an apple fanboy. I begrudgingly switched to an iPhone because I've been sucking Microsoft's dangle since elementary school when I was rocking DOS, and I've been against the competition since day one. I still do NOT use nor do I really want to use a MAC. The only thing Apple that I like is the iPhone, and I started on a 3GS just last year. I think it's awesome; however, my parents both use Android phones, as do several of my close friends, and after playing with those, I find them just as intuitive and easy to use as the iPhone. Why do I not switch phones then? Because I don't have a single god damned issue. If I did, you'd better believe I'd switch phones. All I care about is the ability to use a phone, not the brand or company it comes from. If I did, I wouldn't have bought a freaking Apple product at all.

    In regards to the press release, I think it's absolutely ludicrous how everyone is bashing Apple for bringing the competition to light. If competitors' phones f'up in the same way, then why the hell not? As I said, I don't care for Apple through some emotional or psychological connection, but common sense begs the need to understand them not taking heat for something every company is experiencing. It's just stupid. It just makes you look bad and your competitors look better--for no justifiable reason. Notice how it was NEVER stated that EVERY other smart phone has this issue. He said most. He gave several prominent fixtures in the market place. How the hell is that not reasonable? He did it amicably and he was being honest, at least it seemed like it. So many people are so open to hate that they don't think about what they are doing and just jump on the bandwagon.

    Lastly...
    Maybe this antenna debacle will allow me to finally buy some Apple stock! Since this is really a non-issue, it sure would be great to jump on board while all the stupids run in circles.

    (excuse any typos in this email, it's 2:20am, and i'm trying not to wake the fiance)
    Another extremely well said comment. Thanks for saving me the time from having to compose something similar. Everybody, I dare you to read the two above quotations!!!^^^

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    i like that people think apple is going to release a revised version of the iPhone 4 in september.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrian1480 View Post
    only the simple-minded can think the solution is that simple. many people transferred their phone numbers from other carriers putting them in a tough situation. others sold their previous phones expecting that a 4th generation product would be relatively trouble-free. many more waited several months for this phone to launch only now to be put-off by problematic developments.

    for me, it's as simple as returning the phone and I'll be taking advantage of that tomorrow. for many others, it's nowhere near that simple. but juvenile minds usually fail to critically think about other's issues.

    oh and that .55% quote is worthless. I've never called to "complain" about hardware or software issues because I don't see the purpose it would serve. and really, considering how many news reports there were, why would people feel a need to call in? it's not like issue wasn't getting attention. lol.

    if you don't understand anything else, just know that when the product line receives its stealth revision in coming months, it will be because that ".55%" was much bigger than that, because the issue was real, and because Apple knew they need to fix it. after all, if it's fine, why fix it ever?

    If you can't handle people being frustrated by the situation
    No I'm just tired of arrogant, pretentious people who are so consumed by their own greed and self denial that they have to create a fictional situation and impose on a company that has done nothing but benefit them just to get that extra inch of self profit. It's people who focus on made-up problems like this one, and quite frankly people who are just idiots in terms of technological education, that cripple corporations from making real innovative progressions just so that they, the simple minded lazy individuals, can continue in their infantile ways towards getting what they want. If you don't like it, return it. Just to educate you a bit, every phone has an antenna attached to it. By blocking that antenna, you may see some signal loss. Is that not just the most astounding thing? Unbelievable right? Well sorry to burst your bubble but every phone will lose some reception more or less when held a certain way. If you can't handle that, well yes, I have to say, it is as simple as returning the phone. No one is holding a gun up to your head telling you to keep the phone. Another sign of incompetence right there, complaining about how much you hate a product, yet not returning it? Yeah, that really makes a lot of sense, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by h2a View Post
    i like that people think apple is going to release a revised version of the iPhone 4 in september.
    It is pretty funny right? Just like everyone knew it was the gospel truth that the iPhone would be coming to Verizon this summer right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paganizonda83 View Post
    There is no more "spin" in this article than there is on the apple.com/antenna page it is discussing.

    Being critical of Apple means you hate them and all they stand for? I'd see it more as holding a great company accountable and helping to make sure they sustain that greatness. What would you prefer we do, give Apple reach-arounds all day and let them rest on their laurels?

    Go through his previous articles and you will see that I'm certainly one of the most critical members when it comes to Messany, but I have to disagree with you on this one.
    Point taken. Not sure I agree with the reach around statement but point taken. Just lately the articles seem to be written to spark anger between thoes that are happy and thoes that are not. To me writing should (again IMO) report just the facts and not steer to a side with any anger. People (for the most part unless it comes to jb questions) are smart and can form their own opinions. No sence in starting a MMI civil war. The writers know their audience much like a school teacher wo tries to force their opinion on impressionable minds. In addition we all know a bit of spin and the fact that text can loose some meaning coupled with some of the Mmi mbrs that get out of hand on the complaints. Turn some of these threads to bash each other....

    I do read and enjoy most of your posts (intellectual and helpful). Unfortunatly Not all posts warrent the same from a few posters. My comment to the news regardless of what i feel about the situation with apple was for the choice of words used by the author. Which (not all) seems to always take a strong stance against all apples decisions.

    But like I said good point. And I understand what your saying and agree just not with the writers retoric as (IMO) better words could be used by him in his news releases.
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    So, apple hasn't actually said there is a defect right? But, if they change the design behind the scenes and we find out, wouldn't that prove there was a flaw? If so, then the phone would be replaceable under apple care, right? How would you prove that there was a change, and that they did it to fix the death grip, that would be the question. I'd be interested in seeing the next few shipments tested and torn apart. I bet they ninja in a fix under the radar and don't tell anyone to keep from having to replace units.
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