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    Slate will fail. Full Win 7 is not designed for touch-only input. I know; I have an HP Tablet PC. I'd Never, EVER use that thin with the stylus 100% of the time. also, the Atom and integrated graphics will be slow and mediocre, (in that order). Forget about games. and I'm skeptical about YoutubeHD or Hulu HD.

    Oh, and it won't move nearly as fast as an iPad.

    Personally, I'd recommend avoiding this unless you just want a basic device good for note taking (OneNote). that's just about the only thing the iPad doesn't do.

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    Nothing says competition like a product that looks almost exactly like your own...

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    Monkey see monkey do.... these other companies can not compete with Apple...

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    Is good, apple have competitor, so iPad will going cheaper in the future....

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    I'm quite interested in the WebOS version of this but, as it stands now, I would not give this tablet even a fleeting thought. Have any of you ever used any Windows OS on a touch screen? It is absolutely terrible. They were not made with the intention of using a touch screen on them (it was not a major concern at least).

    While W7 is more resource friendly than Vista, it still needs a better spec's machine in order to work properly IMHO.

    I too am totally baffled by rear cameras on tablets. The insurance claims example was okay, but people act as if it's so difficult to take a photo with a cell phone and send it to the tablet/iPad. I understand that requires the user to have a decent to top of the line phone, but if the persons are going to be using something like this on a daily basis then it's reasonable to assume that a smartphone is also a necessary in their day to day work/life.

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    Digital photography is not admissible in court, unless you also provide the device which took those photos, to establish that they were not edited after capture.

    I don't know about you, but I have more than just work photos on my phone. I don't think the courts need pictures of my family, vacations, etc...

    Photos with legal ramifications (like insurance claims adjustment photos) need special care and practices, otherwise a decent lawyer can have them thrown out.

    It's being pushed for business, with business centered designs, and business centered functionality.
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    Having personally seen and interacted with the new phone7 os (and knowing the user experience is firmly rooted in W7 usability), I can see how W7 might be suitable for a tablet platform, however I really don't know what we can expect from the slate at this point. I'd love to get my hands on one to compare it to my other devices, but for now I am sticking to my plan if getting a tablet pc for my tablet-y needs.

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    That Slate looks the perfect portable device, FULL programs like MS Office, YouTube with Flash. Download programs off the web without approval.

    Will be perfect for uni and I still got my iPhone for the fun bit.
    OS X has a lot of problem with my uni so this tablet will be perfect if it weren't for the price.

    I love how all the Apple fans/mods are like iPad is better and Slate is fail, iPad is an oversized iPod Touch that is for fun and not for work.

    The Slate will be able to jailbreak an iDevice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CynicalDriver View Post
    Digital photography is not admissible in court, unless you also provide the device which took those photos, to establish that they were not edited after capture.

    I don't know about you, but I have more than just work photos on my phone. I don't think the courts need pictures of my family, vacations, etc...

    Photos with legal ramifications (like insurance claims adjustment photos) need special care and practices, otherwise a decent lawyer can have them thrown out.

    It's being pushed for business, with business centered designs, and business centered functionality.
    Point?

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    An iOS tablet and tablet pc are too different things. For now, I bought the iPad just for the purpose of that in-between focus of browsing and media. I probably wouldnt buy a pc tablet unless apple made one, just because I prefer Mac osx.
    You don't like the iPad because you don't have one!

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    Seriously, does it have a keyboard, soft or hard? I watched the commercial for it on YouTube, and all I saw was someone copying and pasting something into MS office.

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    What a heated comment section. Shesh. There will always be the windows freaks and the apple fanboys, I think the consumers will still gravitate towards the iPad due to a high price tag and low battery life. IOS is still very young. I will say that a USB port and cameras will be nice. Just give apple time to react and throw in a retina screen and cameras. That will be the day....

    Dude think of the viruses if it's legit w7 on a touch screen..... hello avg running for 18 hours sweeping with my intel atom
    Last edited by Aleckloss; 2010-10-24 at 03:28 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortopher View Post
    I'm quite interested in the WebOS version of this but, as it stands now, I would not give this tablet even a fleeting thought. Have any of you ever used any Windows OS on a touch screen? It is absolutely terrible. They were not made with the intention of using a touch screen on them (it was not a major concern at least).
    Don't most previous windows tablets have resistive touch screens? That may be why you (and others) didn't like them..I don't think I've ever seen a windows tablet with a capacitive screen, so that might make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waleed786 View Post
    Don't most previous windows tablets have resistive touch screens? That may be why you (and others) didn't like them..I don't think I've ever seen a windows tablet with a capacitive screen, so that might make a difference.
    Yes, that would certainly make the experience better, but I don't think the problem is solely due to the type of touch capabilities it has. The UI itself just wasn't created with a touchscreen in mind. Sure, you can use a stylus for it, but that's just another thing to lose and I get sick of using them for long periods of time. Oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mortopher View Post
    Point?
    My point was that there is a business purpose behind having a camera on the slate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goonie1976 View Post
    Fail...
    Here is the problem with your logic. Who really cares about a stupid webcam. For gods sake, it's like saying well my car has a sun roof, that is why it is superior to yours. Also, why are we hating on the iPad because you have to buy additional accessories to do video out. Again, it is trivial. Of all the owners that I know, I think only one had an issue with that. The problem is this: Like it or not, Win7 is made for desktop computers, not a netbook-tablet. It's just that simple.

    Here are the real factors to consider when deciding between tablets:
    • Battery life
    • Intuitive interface
    • Customization
    • Community support
    • Potential for firmware updates


    I'm sure that you noticed that all of these factors point towards the iPad. I love the idea of competition, it drive the companies to create better products for the consumer, but honestly, I'd buy a RIM tablet before picking up an HP device. Big deal, it could have HDMI, but that doesn't meant that it will be nice and easy to use. I really do like Win7 on my Fiancés laptop, it runs smoothly and really just makes sense. But, that is on a laptop. What kind of support is this tablet going to get? Are there going to be 10's of thousands of apps available specifically for it? Apps that utilize the touch interface? I don't think so.

    /rant

    Quote Originally Posted by h4ng0ver View Post
    You think so? let see
    Ipad 64G = $699
    HP Slate - $799 a whopping $100 different, so what you get for that $100 different you ask?
    - USB 2.0 port
    - Front back camera
    - A SD slot for SD cards
    - WACOM digitizer with stylus pen (look it up)
    - Integrated 802.11b/g/n + Bluetooth 3.0 + HS combo
    - A full blown windows 7 pro OS
    - 2G or RAM
    - being able to install any existing windows software
    - A real processor with 1.6 Ghz
    .....more
    The point is the HP Slate is not meant to compete with toys like the ipad, it's build for business, for industries like insurance, home appraisal, medical, construction...etc that already use their specialized software on tablet PC's for years...
    This is literally nothing new. The only difference is that HP is taking the design cues from Apple. Used for business? Highly unlikely. Have you seen the toughbook? That is what people use. Which has been around for centuries . What can I say? It just doesn't compete. I might pick one up though, so I can put iTunes on it lol, and sync my ipad to it on the go, lol.
    Last edited by Imahottguy; 2010-10-25 at 07:50 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Imahottguy View Post
    Here is the problem with your logic. Who really cares about a stupid webcam. For gods sake, it's like saying well my car has a sun roof, that is why it is superior to yours. Also, why are we hating on the iPad because you have to buy additional accessories to do video out. Again, it is trivial. Of all the owners that I know, I think only one had an issue with that. The problem is this: Like it or not, Win7 is made for desktop computers, not a netbook-tablet. It's just that simple.

    Here are the real factors to consider when deciding between tablets:
    • Battery life
    • Intuitive interface
    • Customization
    • Community support
    • Potential for firmware updates


    I'm sure that you noticed that all of these factors point towards the iPad. I love the idea of competition, it drive the companies to create better products for the consumer, but honestly, I'd buy a RIM tablet before picking up an HP device. Big deal, it could have HDMI, but that doesn't meant that it will be nice and easy to use. I really do like Win7 on my Fiancés laptop, it runs smoothly and really just makes sense. But, that is on a laptop. What kind of support is this tablet going to get? Are there going to be 10's of thousands of apps available specifically for it? Apps that utilize the touch interface? I don't think so.

    /rant



    This is literally nothing new. The only difference is that HP is taking the design cues from Apple. Used for business? Highly unlikely. Have you seen the toughbook? That is what people use. Which has been around for centuries . What can I say? It just doesn't compete. I might pick one up though, so I can put iTunes on it lol, and sync my ipad to it on the go, lol.
    Have you ever tried to carry a toughbook with you?
    Have you tried to use one?
    Have you priced one out?

    No sir, the slate is WAY better for someone on the go. You can plug it directly to a server and not need a desk to work on it (not having to use a mouse or touchpad, touchpads suck for complicated work). You can be on a job site organizing work-flow in a location that has no office set up yet. You can mount them in police cars, reducing the space taken by laptops. You can use it on your yacht to check the servers in Alaska when you're sipping a Martini in the Bahamas.

    Face it, for BUSINESSES, the iPad just doesn't cut it.

    You're thinking about this like a person who has never dealt with logistics thinks about train and truck shipments. You've not dealt with it, so you are not aware of the requirements, procedures, laws, policies, efficiencies, etc...

    Join the business world and you will be amazed at how different their priorities are from the average user who does nothing but play games, edit photos, check Facebook (which kinda sucks without flash), e-mail, and surf the web.

    The iPad is awesome, it's just not for business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imahottguy View Post
    Here is the problem with your logic. Who really cares about a stupid webcam. For gods sake, it's like saying well my car has a sun roof, that is why it is superior to yours. Also, why are we hating on the iPad because you have to buy additional accessories to do video out. Again, it is trivial. Of all the owners that I know, I think only one had an issue with that. The problem is this: Like it or not, Win7 is made for desktop computers, not a netbook-tablet. It's just that simple.

    Here are the real factors to consider when deciding between tablets:
    • Battery life
    • Intuitive interface
    • Customization
    • Community support
    • Potential for firmware updates


    I'm sure that you noticed that all of these factors point towards the iPad. I love the idea of competition, it drive the companies to create better products for the consumer, but honestly, I'd buy a RIM tablet before picking up an HP device. Big deal, it could have HDMI, but that doesn't meant that it will be nice and easy to use. I really do like Win7 on my Fiancés laptop, it runs smoothly and really just makes sense. But, that is on a laptop. What kind of support is this tablet going to get? Are there going to be 10's of thousands of apps available specifically for it? Apps that utilize the touch interface? I don't think so.

    /rant



    This is literally nothing new. The only difference is that HP is taking the design cues from Apple. Used for business? Highly unlikely. Have you seen the toughbook? That is what people use. Which has been around for centuries . What can I say? It just doesn't compete. I might pick one up though, so I can put iTunes on it lol, and sync my ipad to it on the go, lol.
    This post is basically what I'm talking about, an Apple fan boy mind set. You have you mind wraps around your iDevice and you think the iPad is perfect for everyone and everything that is different than your iXXX will fail ultimately, and that's what Steve Jobs wants you to think.
    The iPad is a great device(at the moment) I have one(also have an Iphone 3gs also a company supplied BB), i mainly use it to read my technical books, newspapers, play games with my son and also use it to teach him a thing or two, but it's a consumer device, period, to compare its apps(in the appstore) with real industry specialized software's that was built for windows is a joke, you said there's hundred thousands of apps in the appstore, but you fail to mention how many of those are fart apps, "how dump/smart are you" apps, and do you know how many windows software are out there? millions and you don't have to get permissions from Steve Jobs to install it(from his appstore)
    You obviously have not used windows 7 touch interface, while I prefer the iPad touch interface, but it's very damn close, try it on an HP TouchSmart PC and you would know what I'm talking about.
    Can your iPad integrate natively with Exchange? Sharepoint server? Microsoft Office? run Oracle client? Medical dictation software? PACS software? ...etc and can it share files between applications natively? can you log in to Windows network infrastructure using the same credential assigned to you? Can you connect to ipsec VPN infrastructure beside Cisco like Linux OpenSwan..etc?
    Will HP succeed with Slate? I don't know but I know damn sure that the Slate is built for business, not for you with a "there's an app for that" mindset
    Last edited by h4ng0ver; 2010-10-26 at 01:03 AM.

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    This thing is a joke. No one is going to pay that much for an inferior tab. Hp should have scrapped that thing and started from scratch.

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    Heres my opinion, one of my friends got a pre-release of one of these because he works for some company that gives stuff away like that. Anyways, I own an iPad, and I got to borrow this thing for a week because he went on vacation and wasn't going to use it. Honestly, I used this thing more than I have ever used my iPad since I bought it.

    Now keep in mind here, I am not an Apple fanboy, but I do enjoy their products. But this thing blows the iPad out of the water. Here is why:

    1) Much more versatile, meaning you are not restricted by a slim OS that restricts you from most things the average person would use.

    2) Battery life does not matter, I only used it for about 20-30 minutes at a time, otherwise the screen is turned off.

    3) You people think using a stylus is going back a step? No, It's simply providing you with more precision. You cannot honestly tell me you haven't made quite a few typos on your iPhone or whatever because your big thumbs made the device think you were pressing another on-screen key, can you?

    4) The stylus is also much better with drawing things is photoshop and stuff like that, which is also another benefit to having a real OS.

    The iPad is a gimmick, actually, not even a gimmick. It's an e-reader with movie watching and game playing capabilities. That is all I have ever used my iPad for. Thats all I will ever use it for.

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