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    Default fbi can activate your phones mic even when your phone is off???
    Now I am trusting in the "general randomness" tag which is why I am posting this....

    I am not tech enough to hack my phone, I can only read directions that other people have posted. So I try to contribute what I can with little snippets here and there...

    So, I wanted to post this and see what you guys have to say. Do you know anything about this? Is this for real?

    Hope this was the right place to post this...

    http://break.com/index/are-you-friggin-kiddin-me.html

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    yo. thats a bunch of bullcrap. your has to be on for the tracking device to be on. the only difference between your phone off and your battery out is taht one weighs more. plus why would the fbi allow that in public. its a scare tactic.

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    I have to agree, Fox is pretty much the unofficial press conference for the White House. None of it's true. Ironically, the least biased info is either on the Internet or Daily Show/Colbert Report

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehmacuser View Post
    Ironically, the least biased info is either on the Internet or Daily Show/Colbert Report
    haha and the daily show and the colbert report are both comedy shows. but hey.. a lot of truth is said in jest.

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    I'm thinking you should stick to Britney Spears sex life on the Internet and not this CT bullcrap!

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    Even if they could, even with the phone on,
    they don't have enough manpower to listen in on all the, "honey, whats for dinner tonight", conversations.
    I don't mind them using survelance tecniques on suspected terrorist though.
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    Default wow, i forgot i even existed on this forum.
    well, even though this is probably a long dead thread, i just today remembered that i had an account here...

    so i would like to contribute my two cents.

    one, foxnews, cnn, abc, msbnc, cbs, reuters all get there news from the same place, the AP. I know this to be true cause I have a ticker that scrolls on top of firefox that is subscribed to all of them and 90% of the time they are all the same report. So if in fact you don't like fox news as your source of information, i would be glad to show it to you the same thing on your preferred flavor of news entertainment.

    two, why would anyone allow information like that in the public? well, the best place to hide something is right out in the open where people can run around and instead of finding out the truth, become reactionary and tell everyone what they think instead of what truely is (this is not an attack on anyone at all, just a simple fact. Most people, including myself are more interested in saying why not because, instead of actually hearing out a theory and seeing where it goes, everyone always has to be right).

    Thirdly, just cause the screen is off, and the lights are not blinking does not mean in anyway that your phone is "off". Thats the equivalent of saying that i turned my automatic updates off on windows therefore my computer wont update anymore. It is simply not true. There are still features that update themselves. All you need to do is check your system log under computer management to see when the last update was initiated.

    Now consider this, "your phone has to be on for the tracking device to be on". Any system, period, is never truly off until you remove the power source. That is simply a fact. I don't care what electronic device you have, it is never truly off until you remove the power supply. Thats how things like internal clocks continue to work. Why do you suppose that after you remove your battery certain settings are totally reset as opposed to turning them off? Your clock, your calender, certain defaults go back to zero? It is because your phone is off, but certain things still rely on power.

    A motherboard on a computer, any computer still has an onboard battery. Certain things on a computer (pc, apple, linux and anything else that computes) are dependent on a small amount of power for a system to function (off the top of my head right now, i don't remember but i do believe it has something to do with the internal clock).

    So why doesn't that just feed off of the main power supply? Simply because there are things like power failures and other variables that may cause the computer to become disconnected from the main source of power.

    So yes, your phones are still powered even though they arent on. The simplest way to describe the proof in this would be using by the alarm clock feature. Almost every single phone in the world has an alarm clock feature (remember the modding community is small by comparison to the rest of the world and normal people who use phones for what they were intended for). Business men like to have a phone that will act as an alarm clock. So they get into the hotel, flop on the bed, rent a porn on ppv, and turn off their phone, and go to sleep. How can the phone turn itself back on so that the alarm will go off at 6am? The phone was turned off completely, just as normal as can be. The simple answer again, the internal clock that is always running and needs a constant source of power.

    Now, don't even get me started about all the wonderful features that exist in a system that users don't know about. Yes, this forum is a conglomeration of many talented and intelligent people who have done a fine job of modding and cracking the iphone (and some motorola phones), but do you really believe that ever feature every line of code, every nuance has been discovered?

    You would really put your faith in software companies that have at one time or another said that they don't believe that users should be allowed to open their computers to in order to upgrade their components or change their parts (bill gates sometime in the early to mid nineties). Or even more recent, Steve Jobs who said that he wants every iphone purchaser to pay for their iphones with a credit card so apple can track who is activating them through itunes and who is not (thanks to all of the fantastic crackers out there).

    Your right, there simply isn't enough manpower to listen to every single, "honey what are we having for dinner tonight."

    That would be a pointless first step...

    However, once you have been tagged as a person of interest it certainly would be a viable as a 10th or 12th step...

    When i read anything, i truly don't care where it comes from. I am always inclined to search out the facts, instead of it being spoon fed to me and saying it's true because so and so said it. That's called advertising. People spend millions of dollars to make someone believe whatever it is that they are selling is all that and a bag of chips.

    And as far as the daily show, or the colbert report... well, let's just say that i get my news from their mentor...

    George Carlin...

    and i paraphrase, "America only bombs brown people, the only white people america has ever bombed was germany, and that was because they were trying to take our jobs of being the world domination."

    I am not trying to defend one thing or the other, i take one side and that is the side of fact and truth. Neither one of those cares about where the information comes from because fact and truth will always be fact and truth.

    If you really wanted to be pretentious about where you get your news feeds, then google news it. They will give you a whole long list of the same topic and article over and over again. All saying the same thing, just dressed up in a different banner.

    It's like saying that you like Jay Leno or David Letterman. They are saying the same thing, it's simply a matter of who dresses it up better in the presentation and the styling. I prefer Leno. I think his delivery is better. You might like Letterman. Either way they are still making fun of what ever stupid celebrity is making headlines that day.

    Leno has headlines, Letterman has the Top Ten list. Both are still the same thing picking on the absurdities of life, just in a different format.

    Now as this post comes to a close, i wish to pose a question, and this goes back to something i mentioned above; if you wouldn't mind for a moment, define what qualities a terror suspect has, and how would you go about making those definitions. That and, if Fox news is the "unofficial press conference for the White House", what did the white house do before Fox existed? If my knowledge of history is accurate, foxnews is something that came about in the late 90's...

    Before that wasn't there a little company called the Cable News Network? I don't know, just something to think about...

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    This is an urban legend that's been around for years. No, its not possible.
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    stop watchin live free (die hard3) will you? Lol

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    Die hard 4 actually, and it wasn't really die hard...

    it just had bruce willis playing some guy who thought he was mcclain.

    The real mcclain smoked, and swore his way to an "r" rating

    Never the less...

    Is it possible...

    Why not?

    If you think about it, the process would be rather simple. To remote activate a phone wouldn't be that hard.

    Consider this, it's already been established that a system can boot itself after it's been turned off. Again with the alarm function. Now wouldn't it simply be possible (again, possible, not likely) for a 3rd party to send a command that would tell the phone to activate itself at a certain time? Now of course, that wouldn't directly be a remote activate, more a timed activation via a fairly clever mod...

    But let's continue on this thought process for a minute...

    It is absurd the think that the powers that be do not have the most advanced up to date information about everything.

    Our country is, simply put, a business. A business that is run by extremely wealthy individuals. Now whether it be "daddy's money" or not, i don't recall anyone holding any position of power in the last century not to be ridiculously wealthy. You do not get to be wealthy by being stupid. You get to be wealthy by being smarter then the next guy, and being on top of things. Always being one step ahead of the competition.

    (because this forum deals with iphones, i will use apple as a generic example).

    When Steve Jobs wakes up in the morning, goes to the kitchen, eats his fruit loops watches the news, reads the paper, takes a shower and gets dressed for his day, he's not thinking about what he is going to do in the next couple of hours at the office. He's already thought about that years ago. What he is thinking about today, is what he and his company is going to be doing 5, 10 years from now. Today and the events of today were already planned a long time ago. Every multi billion dollar company thinks that way.

    That is how a successful business works. Plain and simple.

    If it is in fact daddy's money, then that is fine too. An intelligent person who has money should also understand something else too. It's not how much money you have, it's what you do with the money that you have, and It's not necessarily how you save your money, it's also how you spend it.

    So my point is this, that our countries are run by wealthy intelligent business men who know how to make money, and run a successful business.

    Now, with that point in mind, it's easy to understand and accept that these people have resources that you and I could never touch.

    So what does that have to do with anything concerning remote activating a system (i do not wish to limit this conversation to merely cell phone as cell phones in and of themselves are more computer then phone.)

    Everything. The technology that we get as the consumer is already OLD to the people producing it. They are already on the next thing whether you know about it or not. They know how to do everything and anything with the devices they create far better then we will ever know.

    Sure we can crack it, sure we can mod it. But they wrote the thing. And i for one know full well that both jobs and gates have totalitarian tendencies. Their own words give them away.

    Watch this; A long time ago, cell phones had green screens and black letters. They had these big funky keys made out of white rubber and played a nice little beep beep beep whenever it played. Today, you can have a phone that only has a power button. All the other buttons are on a touch screen.

    So tell me, how do you turn a phone on and off without a hard power button?

    Well, you have to create a connection somehow. that's how electronics work. and apparently if your finger acts as a connection on a touch screen to turn on a system, then apparently it doesn't take a whole lot for something to boot.

    Now watch this, my wife just bought a new laptop. It's a pretty decent laptop for the price. From having it turned off completely, and i do mean off not standby or hibernate or anything like that, and unplugged. I can activate it, sometimes, by simply touching the case. Not a key, not a button, not the touch sensitive quicklaunch buttons, but the shell casing of the laptop.

    It's not often and it's intermittent, and it's not supposed to do it, but there it is. Certainly i am not the only one who has had his gadgets turn on because of a power surge? All it takes is one little arc to complete a circuit and its on.

    My over all point is this. Even though someone might call it an urban legend, there is some shred of truth behind every single legend, story, myth, whatever. There does not exist a system anywhere that cannot be cracked. And the people that wrote the system know more about how it works then we ever will.

    Has anyone ever heard of the idea that most people can accept a lie as opposed to the truth because sometimes the lie is more believable then the truth? It's an interesting theory. Because the truth can sometimes be so terrible that it couldn't possibly. But the truth is, it is not a lie.

    Now i will pose the question... why is it not possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurisko View Post
    This is an urban legend that's been around for years. No, its not possible.
    Wanna bet? Sorry, it's NOT an "urban legend". It can - and IS done. New Story Link

    FWIW, BTW, I do know how to do this. Being a computer security consultant has it's advantages...

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    Quote Originally Posted by boe_dye View Post
    Now i will pose the question... why is it not possible?
    Wow, what a long winded explanation, but a waste of time, sorry.

    Why isn't it possible? Very very simply, when you turn off the phone, the phone turns off the radio (the modem which makes calling possible). No radio, no remote access, no control.

    Simple huh?

    Stop the conspiracy theories and concentrate on something useful.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotStuff2 View Post
    Wanna bet? Sorry, it's NOT an "urban legend". It can - and IS done. New Story Link

    FWIW, BTW, I do know how to do this. Being a computer security consultant has it's advantages...
    Excellent. Break into my phone, I'll even leave it on for you. And wow, you provided a link, it MUST be true.
    Last edited by Eurisko; 2007-12-06 at 12:22 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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    you are also making a very interesting assumption that your phone is entirely shut off.

    perhaps my point was poorly explained, so i shall try to explain it again.

    no computer system, is ever entirely shut off unless you remove the power supply. call it PC, call it Mac, call it Linux, call it Motorola, call it Blackberry, call it Solaris, call it any type of binary system.

    There is no system in the world that exists that is entirely shut down so long as there is a power supply.

    Even your car radio still has power after the key is taken out of the ignition, that's why the time is always right and your presets are still there. My premise is not solely based on the radio of the phone. Sure you can turn the radio off, but the computer component is more then capable of turning it back on.

    Now all of us here are modders to some degree. some of us write the software, some of us find the codes and the cracks, and some of us know that if we thought of it, chances are someone else who knows how to make it happen and we therefore leech off of the expertise.

    All one must do is know how to connect the wires and how those connections will function. 1 and 0 on and off. I am certain that i do not need to remind anyone of that fact here.

    I have a friend who is into music really pro software type of stuff. And he was telling me that companies now are producing software that can only be used if you have a usb dongle of sorts. kinda like a key in case some of you are not familiar with that type of idea (not to be insulting but some people don't know every little thing that comes out). I told him it would only be a matter of time before someone found a work around. He asked how would i have done it. Now because i cannot write code or anything like that i don't fully understand the technical nature of how it works, but i most certainly understand the concept in which it would.

    I told him that what i would do is i would find some way to fool the computer in thinking that i had plugged in a usb thumb drive into a port and the program would then "unlock" the software in order for it to run.

    (Understand also that this would have to be done every time you ran the program, not just a one shot deal).

    Funnily enough not 3 weeks later i came across a program that did just that. Some cracker pulled the information off the usb drive, created an emulator around it and installed the software as a virtual usb thumb drive. the program hasn't nary a clue and runs quite well.

    the point is, is that if a nobody like me can think of the idea and the concept your going to tell me that there isn't someone who actually hasn't made it a reality?

    I could think of a number of ways that you could remote activate a system. You mentioned radio. Okay, i'll go along with that. Similiar concept but with a different application.

    If you get a C.B. radio that is powerful enough, on the right channel, you can change traffic lights by pushing the talk button. Now this is of course old, but again it is the concept. It is a powered mechanism that in this particular case has no radio in it (light) that is being operated remotely by a radio frequency. 1 on, 0 off.

    Sure computers have lots more 1's and 0's but it is still at the basic premise a glorified light switch plugged into a wall.

    So sure I pushed a button and the screen went blank. But knowing that computers never turn off until you disconnect the power supply there is still a connection to bridge.

    Have you ever experienced a power surge? Not a power failure, but a surge. Nowadays they are kinda rare but they still happen none the less. Have you ever had something that turned itself on because of a power surge? Again it is the same concept. For whatever reason, and rest assured that there is one, the frequency and variable were where they needed to be for an object to turn itself on. And i am not talking about after a power failure when the lights go on, I mean when you are sitting there and your lights go bright and for a minute your microwave kicks on.

    A phone functions with a normally open normally closed button. Also know and a momentary on. Meaning that all you need to do is make the tinniest connection once and once that connection has been made you no longer need the connection.

    So you push the button, and the button closes the circuit, the lights flash on, and you take your finger off the button and the circuit is now open.

    I could take away the button and do the same thing with a piece of scrap wire. But because that wouldn't be ascetically pleasing, and highly non functional someone said "hey let's put in a button".

    But i am not saying anything here that isn't painfully obvious...

    In conclusion, while you are most certainly correct that pushing the button turns off the radio, you are somewhat in error in assuming that the ENTIRE handset is no longer functioning.

    Think of it as going into deep sleep mode.

    Look if you feel comfortable in believing what the people tell then that is fine. I am not trying to change your mind. You are free to believe what ever it is that you choose to believe.

    I however never believe anyone who tells me that just cause the lights are off that no one is home. Just cause there are no lights on doesn't mean that that your mobile is not functioning on some degree.

    It's certainly not a conspiracy by any stretch of the imagination. It is merely the potential of how far a piece of hardware can be used.

    The Phone has two basic components (for this discussion). Radio, and Computer. When you turn the phone off, you assume that the computer goes with it. However the proof that the computer stays on is simply because the internal clock continues to keep time. I am sure at some point you've pulled your battery out of your phone and had to reset something right?

    Does the radio control the computer, or does the computer control the radio?

    Again, i am not trying to spout off any conspiracy theories. Just basic electronics.

    But while you have me thinking of conspiracies are there any other sources of information that we should not mention for one reason or another. After all, foxnews is now not to be trusted, and it would appear that c-net is no longer viable. So what passes nowadays for a good source of information?

    I did find this little blurb however, and this magazine is published on real paper too so who knows...

    http://www.fastcompany.com/articles/...he-iphone.html

    Not quite what I was going for, but concerning a company that once claimed it's os was hacker proof, i think it shows where things could go. Again, just possibility... nothing more.

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    The phone would have to be built to allow mic-turn-on-while-off, unless of course, the FBI is putting viruses on our phones and breaking into the software.

    I put up a challenge to you and the FBI:
    turn my computer on tonight.

    Good luck. =D

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    Wow, seems your paranoia knows no bounds. The fact that the power supply keeps the CMOS powered to retain BIOS settings has nothing whatsoever to do with the computer or the modem. And the simple fact remains that you're trying to convince us, that a radio that is neither broadcasting nor receiving a signal, can be remotely activated. That's a trick I'd love to see.

    Here's a simple test for you. Turn your phone off, not into stand-by mode, I mean turn it off. Then have a friend call you. One of two things will happen, if you don't have voicemail, your friend will immediately (without hearing a ring) be told that the wireless customer is not available. If you do have voicemail, your friend (without hearing a ring) will be immediately directed to your voicemail box. This is because your wireless carrier cannot pickup your signal (because its not broadcasting). No radio, no remote access, no control. Can't make it any clearer than that.

    Needn't bother writing another essay trying to prove me wrong. From your previous writing, its blindingly apparent rational discussion doesn't reach you. It's been fun!
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    Default allrighty..
    i accept your challenges. I will attempt to hijack your phones and your computers...

    however i will need some information first.

    Please supply me with, and in this particular order...

    your full name
    your social security number (or the canadian equivilant)
    your home telephone number
    your cell phone number
    Any voicemail service in which you may subscribe to including passwords
    Your cellular service provider
    your current address in which you reside and if any your alternate mailing address in which you may hold
    a current valid photo id of yourself
    All bank routing numbers + your account information including your PIN and any type of secret password inluded
    All credit card numbers + name of provider + PIN + 3 digit security code on the back
    a valid copy of valid signature
    a valid copy of your birth certificate
    Your internet provider
    Your IP Address
    Your operating system or systems
    Your current email address' (all of them would be necessary in case you have more then one)
    your high school transcripts
    A student I.D. (if applicable)
    A Work I.D. (If applicable)
    Your mothers maiden name
    Your make, model, year, color, VIN, and license plate number of all vehicles in which you normally drive.
    The insurance carrier + Number for the vehicles in which you drive
    Your healthcare providers name, number, and any type of identifiable insurance number in which you possess.
    A copy of your last paid bills
    A notarized letter granting me POA over yourself, and your finances.

    ...

    Understand that this is a small list, but as it is now, i am getting tired and cannot think of anything else that I would need in order to accomplish the challenge in which you have presented me with.

    Please don't bother to ask why i need all this information, just trust that i do need it and your security it absolutely safe with me. I can honestly say that i would not sell this information to a 3rd party, and that all information will stay safely with me at all times. This information will be used for "research purposes" only. Research including but not limited to or including remote activation of certain electrical devices.

    So if you two can supply me with that information just as soon as you can, i think then we can get started.

    ...

    now to answer the other two questions

    Yeah, no kidding that's what happens when a normal individual turns off a normal phone, and a normal person makes a call to a phone.

    That is ideally how they are supposed to work

    but, yeah gosh we are not referring to normal circumstances now are we?

    and as far as you inviting anyone to hack into your PC, what will that prove? If in the even that the authorities really wanted inside your computer, they would more then likely enter into your house, and take it from you, while you sat down quoting laws that they frankly don't care about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boe_dye View Post
    and as far as you inviting anyone to hack into your PC, what will that prove? If in the even that the authorities really wanted inside your computer, they would more then likely enter into your house, and take it from you, while you sat down quoting laws that they frankly don't care about.
    Ignoring your sarcasm, if the FBI wanted to catch a terrorist/criminal and they knew his cellphone number (which they probably do), they could walk up to him and take him in to custody. No need to tap his phone. If they don't have the evidence to convict him, then they haven't done a very good job have they?


    As soon as you can show us a cellphone being tapped into while off, we will believe you. Until then, Tupac is still alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dash-2 View Post
    Ignoring your sarcasm, if the FBI wanted to catch a terrorist/criminal and they knew his cellphone number (which they probably do), they could walk up to him and take him in to custody. No need to tap his phone. If they don't have the evidence to convict him, then they haven't done a very good job have they?


    As soon as you can show us a cellphone being tapped into while off, we will believe you. Until then, Tupac is still alive.
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