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  • Apple CEO Tim Cook Says the Company Will One Day Let Users Remove Unwanted Stock Apps


    We know the screenshot above doesn't have the most kosher of Home Screen folder names, but we're sure you've probably been through the frustration and runaround of having a Home Screen on your iPhone, iPod touch, or iPad that is loaded with applications you never use or have no interest in using. In fact, if you've ever jailbroken your device, then you know there are jailbreak extensions that let you hide unwanted applications from the Home Screen (but even then, the files still remain on your device and take up space).

    Apple is notorious for loading the iOS firmware with applications that users find "useless." Some examples include the iOS 8 Tips app, the iBooks app (which used to be an App Store download), the Apple Watch app (which is useless for those that don't have one), the Maps app (which people using Google Maps want nothing to do with), the Newsstand app (which people don't feel like paying for subscriptions for news services to use), or even the Passbook app (for people that don't trust their finances on technology) – the list goes on depending on the user.

    And for what it's worth, iOS 9 will add even more applications, replacing ones that already exist, such as the new Wallet and News applications, which replace Passbook and Newsstand.

    Not only do these applications create clutter on the Home Screen, but they take up precious space on the device. With the 16GB option remaining the baseline for Apple products, and the latest iPhone gaining 4K video and 12 megapixel live photo options, storage space is not something to take lightly, and unused applications are a waste of space to everyone.

    Fortunately, there appears to be a light at the end of the tunnel. Apple CEO Tim Cook has told Buzzfeed in an interview that the company plans to one day allow users to remove unwanted stock applications from iOS, but the company is still "figuring out" a way to do so without compromising the features of iOS.:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Cook
    This is a more complex issue than it first appears. There are some apps that are linked to something else on the iPhone. If they were to be removed they might cause issues elsewhere on the phone. There are other apps that aren’t like that. So over time, I think with the ones that aren’t like that, we’ll figure out a way [for you to remove them]. … It’s not that we want to suck up your real estate; we’re not motivated to do that. We want you to be happy. So I recognize that some people want to do this, and it’s something we’re looking at.
    For example, iOS relies on the search results of certain applications in SpotLight search, and removing those applications could break the feature across the iOS platform. There are also stock applications that integrate with one another, and removing those dependencies would break the functionality of the application, much like removing a jailbreak dependency would break the functionality of your favorite jailbreak tweaks.

    So as it sits, Apple is working on a way to make us all happy – it's just the challenge of getting everything out in a timely manner and keeping up with the demands of users to improve other, higher-priority problems.

    Source: Buzzfeed via Engadget
    This article was originally published in forum thread: Apple CEO Tim Cook Says the Company Will One Day Let Users Remove Unwanted Stock Apps started by Anthony Bouchard View original post
    Comments 24 Comments
    1. mld54's Avatar
      mld54 -
      Simple, don't install them in the first place. Then make them available in the App Store
    1. JoeStorm's Avatar
      JoeStorm -
      Really, WHO THE EFF CARES? You take all of the stock apps that you can't delete and you put them in a group. You you don't want to make an unwanted group, put them in a group you use but on a page in that group you never see.

      Problem solved. They're gone. You don't see them.

      Why people make such a huge deal about basically nothing amazes me.
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by JoeStorm View Post
      Really, WHO THE EFF CARES? You take all of the stock apps that you can't delete and you put them in a group. You you don't want to make an unwanted group, put them in a group you use but on a page in that group you never see.

      Problem solved. They're gone. You don't see them.

      Why people make such a huge deal about basically nothing amazes me.
      So then I get to have a useless folder on my Home Screen that I don't feel like looking at, or will ever use. Still doesn't make me a happy camper. Hopefully Apple finds a good solution for this problem, or makes the applications that don't need to be there optional.
    1. holyshnikes's Avatar
      holyshnikes -
      Quote Originally Posted by mld54 View Post
      Simple, don't install them in the first place. Then make them available in the App Store
      Maybe you don't understand. There are lots of apps and settings that are linked to the stock apps. Removing them would cause issues system wide. Unlinking them seems to be what Tim is suggesting. But that will take time and lots of coding to be done.
    1. bigboyz's Avatar
      bigboyz -
      My issue is space. The iPhone over the years has become bloated with "Stock Apps" Yes, they are needed for some functionality i do agree. On the other hand, they take up almost 4GB's of space on your iPhone..thats a bit much. As of the iPhone 6S, there are roughly 31 Stock Apps preloaded.
    1. RobLo76's Avatar
      RobLo76 -
      Quote Originally Posted by JoeStorm View Post
      Really, WHO THE EFF CARES? You take all of the stock apps that you can't delete and you put them in a group. You you don't want to make an unwanted group, put them in a group you use but on a page in that group you never see.

      Problem solved. They're gone. You don't see them.

      Why people make such a huge deal about basically nothing amazes me.
      Because it is useless, un-needed bloat that uses up valuable space. Capisce?
    1. JoeStorm's Avatar
      JoeStorm -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      So then I get to have a useless folder on my Home Screen that I don't feel like looking at, or will ever use. Still doesn't make me a happy camper. Hopefully Apple finds a good solution for this problem, or makes the applications that don't need to be there optional.
      Wait, so you have a folder on your home screen that you don't feel like looking at?

      Oh the horror.

      Fine. Move the folder to another screen. Problem easily solved.

      Don't want to have a folder anywhere on your phone that you don't feel like looking at?

      I know. It ranks right below global genocide but slightly above being sprayed by a skunk.

      Put the apps in an existing folder but put them on another page that you'll never see.

      Again, this is a problem that is just about nothing, but pundits act like it's the equivalent of half a page of unremovable ads on the home screen. So there's a "Stocks" app on your iPhone that you can't delete. It's an incredibly slight annoyance that has been able to be totally fixed since iOS4.
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      I don't know why you can't accept that your fix doesn't fit my, or various other people's needs.

      It's not just a matter of not wanting to see it, but also a storage issue, which you'd know about if you read the piece.

      Quote Originally Posted by bigboyz View Post
      My issue is space. The iPhone over the years has become bloated with "Stock Apps" Yes, they are needed for some functionality i do agree. On the other hand, they take up almost 4GB's of space on your iPhone..thats a bit much. As of the iPhone 6S, there are roughly 31 Stock Apps preloaded.
      You get it.
    1. punjabi212's Avatar
      punjabi212 -
      Quote Originally Posted by bigboyz View Post
      my issue is space. The iphone over the years has become bloated with "stock apps" yes, they are needed for some functionality i do agree. On the other hand, they take up almost 4gb's of space on your iphone..thats a bit much. As of the iphone 6s, there are roughly 31 stock apps preloaded.
      31? Damnnnnn....
    1. JoeStorm's Avatar
      JoeStorm -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      I don't know why you can't accept that your fix doesn't fit my, or various other people's needs.

      It's not just a matter of not wanting to see it, but also a storage issue, which you'd know about if you read the piece.



      You get it.
      My suggestion certainly does fix your annoyance with "creating a group on your home screen." I have no idea why you would do that, but my solution fixes that.

      As for space, how much space do theses apps take up? Really? Don't reply with an insane reply like "As long as they take up 1 byte on MY iPhone then they take up too much space."

      I just looked up the "Stocks" app. 689KB.
      "Compass" 4 MB.
      "Passbook" 61KB
      "iBooks" 52 MB
      "Tips" 520KB
      "Voice Memos" 679KB

      I'm sure Maps takes up a significant amount space for the maps, not the app.

      Apple is very good about using shared libraries, so just because you're deleting the app you're not necessarily deleting the underlying libraries because other apps use them and apps that you will later install will expect them as well.

      I understand you're point about 4k video and live photos, but my reply to you is "If you are interested in 4k video and live photos, why are you buying the absolute smallest storage space to use them? That's like saying "Oh man, I just got the coolest new and ultra-fancy canon camera with the highest megapixel sensor and top of the line 4k video recording." Your friend replies "WOW! That's a great camera. What size memory card did you get? 64 GB? 128 GB? 256 GB?" "You reply "Naw, man. I got a 8GB card."

      The 16GB iPhone is there for a reason. It's the top selling iPhone for a reason. If you're at a point where you're using 4k video, live photos, and other multimedia programs where you're constantly bumping into running out of storage, getting MAYBE 1 GB back by deleting EVERY stock app (except Maps and Maps uses vector data so I doubt it is even that much) isn't going to fix the problem.
    1. Anthony Bouchard's Avatar
      Anthony Bouchard -
      Quote Originally Posted by JoeStorm View Post
      My suggestion certainly does fix your annoyance with "creating a group on your home screen." I have no idea why you would do that, but my solution fixes that.
      Sorry, but no. Agree to disagree, because to be honest you're being belligerent and disrespectful with the second post you made, and simply coming off as a know it all in your last post and I don't feel like wasting my time on it.
    1. JoeStorm's Avatar
      JoeStorm -
      Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Bouchard View Post
      Sorry, but no. Agree to disagree, because to be honest you're being belligerent and disrespectful with the second post you made, and simply coming off as a know it all in your last post and I don't feel like wasting my time on it.
      As a know it all? I actually looked up app's sizes. My first solution hid all of the apps you wanted to hide without you seeing a group on your home screen or even without seeing a group at all.

      You said that there were two problems; visibility and space. My first suggestion completely solves the visibility problem. Make a group for them or put them in an already existing group but deep in the group you'll never see. The second problem was space. I looked up the app sizes and the sizes themselves, due to shared libraries, are very small.

      I'm being neither belligerent or disrespectful. I'm simply replying about something that is next to zero on the annoyance scale yet it's being talked about like it's a half page of ads on the home screen.

      Do you or anyone else have any proof that the stock apps take up 4GB of space?
    1. XweAponX's Avatar
      XweAponX -
      Quote Originally Posted by mld54 View Post
      Simple, don't install them in the first place. Then make them available in the App Store

      If they do that, it would be an excuse to infest all of those with ads. It's better to just make them removable.
    1. XweAponX's Avatar
      XweAponX -
      Quote Originally Posted by JoeStorm View Post
      The 16GB iPhone is there for a reason. It's the top selling iPhone for a reason. If you're at a point where you're using 4k video, live photos, and other multimedia programs where you're constantly bumping into running out of storage, getting MAYBE 1 GB back by deleting EVERY stock app (except Maps and Maps uses vector data so I doubt it is even that much) isn't going to fix the problem.
      How about the 16 GB iPad? I have a 16 GB iPad mini, a-1432.

      Under iOS 7 I had 13 GB left after the operating system was installed. Under iOS 8 I had about 10 GB left.

      An iPad really doesn't serve it's purpose unless you can do a lot of different things with it. Finally I just Limited the purpose of the device to media and media remotes. But I cannot store any content on the device, I have to depend on Plex or home networking.

      A 16 GB iPhone, yes those will be used as phones and most people will use mostly the stock apps, Probably installing a few social apps, maybe YouTube, maybe another browser and a Reddit client. But those at least are useful for social networking.

      But my iPad is extremely limited in what I can do with it. Because it only has 16 measly gigabytes most of which are used up by Apple apps.
    1. XweAponX's Avatar
      XweAponX -
      Hell, I just was given a galaxy tab 3 which is a 16 GB device in itself but it also has a 32 gigabyte SD card. I don't understand why Apple never developed iPhones that had the capacity for extra storage. But that would be beneficial. I have seen cases that somehow allowed an SD card to connect to the phone. I don't know how those work but it added extra room. It was a concept I saw and a few were actually made but I've never really seen them being used.
    1. mainc21's Avatar
      mainc21 -
      Quote Originally Posted by JoeStorm View Post
      Really, WHO THE EFF CARES? You take all of the stock apps that you can't delete and you put them in a group. You you don't want to make an unwanted group, put them in a group you use but on a page in that group you never see.

      Problem solved. They're gone. You don't see them.

      Why people make such a huge deal about basically nothing amazes me.
      I think it's an issue to the people that always get the low end iPhone (16GB). They need to squeeze as much space as possible out of their iPhone.
    1. Al226's Avatar
      Al226 -
      I hide the annoying, useless stock apps with Springtomize. I think a bigger issue needing to be addressed by Apple is their useless, frustrating QuickReply for messages, it's the worst thing I've ever, ever seen. And no, I'm not saying it needs to be like Bitesms, but AT LEAST 10% of what Bitesms is.
    1. toyhaulerobs's Avatar
      toyhaulerobs -
      I have a folder labeled Apple Crap on my home screen for all the useless apps that I don't use.

      I'd upload it but it says I don't have permission yet. I don't know.
    1. JoeStorm's Avatar
      JoeStorm -
      Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
      How about the 16 GB iPad? I have a 16 GB iPad mini, a-1432.

      Under iOS 7 I had 13 GB left after the operating system was installed. Under iOS 8 I had about 10 GB left.

      An iPad really doesn't serve it's purpose unless you can do a lot of different things with it. Finally I just Limited the purpose of the device to media and media remotes. But I cannot store any content on the device, I have to depend on Plex or home networking.

      A 16 GB iPhone, yes those will be used as phones and most people will use mostly the stock apps, Probably installing a few social apps, maybe YouTube, maybe another browser and a Reddit client. But those at least are useful for social networking.

      But my iPad is extremely limited in what I can do with it. Because it only has 16 measly gigabytes most of which are used up by Apple apps.
      I'd think that it would be iOS 8 that was responsible for the majority of the additional space used not the stock apps. I just don't see how the stock apps, other than maybe Maps, take up a significant amount of storage.

      As for the usefulness of 16GB, I agree with you 100%. People and businesses who purchase the 16GB want either a barebones device or they want the device for a specific function/app and storage space doesn't matter. I have several other phones with different OSes that I like to occasionally use and they have either 16 GB or 32 GB. With my iPhone I have 64 GB and with my iPad I have 128 GB becasue of the very reasons you listed.

      But I must reiterate my point about why someone who wants to use such a device for 4k video creation, live photos, and other large file generation would buy a 16 GB device? Even if deleting all of the stock apps were possible I doubt it would free up a GB if that. The apps just don't take up that much space. If that frees up a GB, what does that really get someone who consistently runs out of free space? They will still consistently run out of free space.

      I think many people just want the apps off because they want them off and any other solution no matter if it is equally effective just doesn't matter.
    1. Zokunei's Avatar
      Zokunei -
      Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
      Hell, I just was given a galaxy tab 3 which is a 16 GB device in itself but it also has a 32 gigabyte SD card. I don't understand why Apple never developed iPhones that had the capacity for extra storage. But that would be beneficial. I have seen cases that somehow allowed an SD card to connect to the phone. I don't know how those work but it added extra room. It was a concept I saw and a few were actually made but I've never really seen them being used.
      It's only possible to access the files on the SD card through an app made by the case designer. So it's only useful for documents and won't give you extra space for apps. And if you want to open the document in another app it would copy to the onboard storage. Still quite useful for media I guess.