SO UltraSnow 1.3 can unlock 4.2 and 4.3 but

[DRFP]

We have an Unlock for 4.2.1 and 4.3 but we can't have it yet?

It sits on a hard drive ready to be released

It's yet another "you can't have it because Apple May close it down"

While its possible I doubt it, if that is the reason for holding it then I'm right when I post that Apple does updates focused on stopping JB at times, which is criminal IMHO and may be per law.

[Simon]

Do you have a source for these claims?

[maxgohan]

jibber jabber

[phatcamaro]

Who are you to say it should even be released at all? Unless you smart enough to develop your own jailbreak & unlocks shut your trap, and be thankful there's people doing this for us for free

[James1o1o]

It would help if you all actually read what he said.

Hes talking about the fact that there probably is an unlock for 4.3(and other basebands) but they are keeping it until the iOS is released. Then he said Apple should be allowed to do that.

[DRFP]

Do you have a source for these claims?

Jump to conclusions?

I said

there is Ultra Snow 1.3 and its being held ( A statement so I must now go back to where I read and saw the tweet that its been done? Really its old news)

Any way I still feel there is a basis in law ( since the Feds ruled that JB is legal) that Apple cannot actively keep us from JB our devices.

If the Update is mainly to prevent JB then its Illegal because then we cannot use lawful obtained programs by Apple's competition.

Apple is creating a monopoly with only allowing users to buy from Apple's App store and not Cydia or Themeit.

For the life of me I do not know why so many on MMI do not understand Monopolies and commerce, Monopolies are illegal in the USA.By stopping JB Apple is in violation of free and legal trade.

One source I read it:

http://www.iphone4jailbreak.org/ultr...ultrasnow.html

A couple of others as well but what ever.

[Simon]

Jump to conclusions?

All I asked for was a source for where you saw this since I keep very up to date with the true sources of the unlock (MuscleNerd on twitter) and have not seen this stated anywhere.

For the life of me I do not know why so many on MMI do not understand Monopolies and commerce, Monopolies are illegal in the USA.By stopping JB Apple is in violation of free and legal trade.

Apple is not in violation of free trade or being a monopoly. They have many competitors (Android/RIM/Windows PHone 7).

You have to understand that this is their software. They have as much right to close the holes used to jailbreak as we do to exploit these holes. It doesn't have anything to do with monopolies. Jailbreaks are achieved from exploits/bugs in the software. It would actually be pretty irresponsible of Apple to not plug these holes with software updates.

One source I read it:

ultrasnow 1.3 ultrasn0w | Iphone 4 Jailbreak.org

A couple of others as well but what ever.

Your source is quoting veeence who has as much information about the actual unlock as I do. All he does is take known public information from various tweets and sources and give his opinions on them. Which is fine, but it is not fact.

For facts about the unlock go right to the source: MuscleNerd (MuscleNerd) on Twitter

Two recent tweets that are very informative: Twitter / MuscleNerd: Current i4 unlock goal inc ...
Twitter / MuscleNerd: @knusperkex ironically, th ...

[delizaza23]

Actually I have a couple of iphone 4 needs to be unlocked, I will be looking forward to new version of ultrasn0w and I will donate $20 as soon as this is out. it is sensible for it to be held till next release of the IOS. Thanks in advance.

[EuroDub]

Twitter / MuscleNerd: @knusperkex ironically, th ...

By my understanding, there is already an unlock for 5.14 for a 3gs but they wont release it till they find a way to unlock the iphone 4?

Just need some clarification.

[Simon]

By my understanding, there is already an unlock for 5.14 for a 3gs but they wont release it till they find a way to unlock the iphone 4?

Just need some clarification.

Right now there is only the iPad baseband method for iPhone 3G/3GS stuck on 5.15 and 5.14 baseband. What he is saying with his recent tweets is that the unlock he has been working on for iPhone 4 should also work on iPhone 3G/3GS that have baseband 5.15 or 5.14.

[Goof]

My theory is that the Dev Team likes to feel a sense of power, and keeping the tools from us is giving them an adrenaline rush. Lol


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[CaptainChaos]

I don't believe the baseband updates by Apple are an attempt to stop unlockers. Reception on iPhones is subpar compared to other phones and these updates help alleviate that. Why would they cut off people that want to use their phones?

[Kyle Matthews]

x98car - how bout this for a source? iPhone 4 Unlocks Coming After 4.3 Drops: Dev-Team

[DRFP]

Excuse Me? You might want to dial the attitude down a bit. Friendly warning.

All I asked for was a source for where you saw this since I keep very up to date with the true sources of the unlock (MuscleNerd on twitter) and have not seen this stated anywhere.

If you want to talk about this PM me

Apple is not in violation of free trade or being a monopoly. They have many competitors

They are if they cut off the ability of developers to sell their Iphone products per CYDIA or THEMEIT, Legally it can be argued its restraint of trade.

You have to understand that this is their software. They have as much right to close the holes used to jailbreak as we do to exploit these holes. It doesn't have anything to do with monopolies. Jailbreaks are achieved from exploits/bugs in the software. It would actually be pretty irresponsible of Apple to not plug these holes with software updates.

This was covered with Microsoft and the Feds many times in different court cases, If its wrong for Microsoft to bundle IE or do other things to "Their Software" as to keep it exclusive, then the same is true for Apple.

What is wrong is wrong, you can't argue that because its Apple its OK but if its someone else its not.

Ever since other Software companies took Microsoft to court for being in control of the OS marketplace and won, breaking the Microsoft Monopoly on OS for PC's with bundled software,
The door is permanently opened to stop such behavior, and as pointed out in the news section here on MMI, Apple has a firm grip on the smart phone market and the APP market, for them to build a Monopoly on that market goes against what the Courts have ruled and does not make it better for you and me, you should be agreeing with competition not with Apple.

I have no idea why Apple is trying to remain exclusive with its software and devices, it has not hurt Microsoft ever, making a popular IOS that people want and allowing more and more markets just creates more that want an Iphone...... I'll never get this JB battle its just stupid.




Edit: Looks like the story I read yesterday was correct............

[alex1015]

Right now there is only the iPad baseband method for iPhone 3G/3GS stuck on 5.15 and 5.14 baseband. What he is saying with his recent tweets is that the unlock he has been working on for iPhone 4 should also work on iPhone 3G/3GS that have baseband 5.15 or 5.14.

The tweet means that many of the exploits used for code execution don't work on the X-Gold 618 like was intended but work on the 608. It doesn't mean that they will be developed with payloads or even pursued at this time. It simply means that avenues thought viable for the X-Gold 618 aren't and instead seem to work on the baseband present in the 3G and 3GS.

[Simon]

x98car - how bout this for a source? iPhone 4 Unlocks Coming After 4.3 Drops: Dev-Team

lol, that is the best source I have seen so far

If you want to talk about this PM me

No need. You are entitled to your way of thinking I am entitled to mine. We shall just leave it at that

Just to clarify, I wasnt questioning what you were saying. Just wanted to know where you read it. I like keeping as up to date as possible with regard to unlocks

[DRFP]

Whats a mystery to me is that Unlocking and JB can bee seen as a rebel and radical, revolutionary, response to Apple "Oppressing" the Iphone and keeping it in their tight grip.

I dig freedom and individuality, freedom of expression.

I admit I think different and out of the box so I'm not mainstream.

I question everything myself
I'm cynical

to some on this site they jump on me for my beliefs in Rebelling and nonconformity ( What Apple made us think they were about in the 80's it was not true fast forward 2011)

I'm probably a lot older then most on here ( born in early 60's)
I did not get to even put a finger on a computer till mid highschool back then and there was no GUI at that time.

The community shared everything back then, we shared programing and new discoveries, and even since then I have kept in touch with the PC programmers and beta tested many pieces of software.

If I continue to post on MMI I wont stop questioning News and other things like Hacking.

I wont stop posting about Apps that crash ( like Mobile Terminal did from Cydia) and then post a possible DL solution ( if appropriate)

Expecting me ( and others) to not have an opinion makes the site useless and like a news paper.......... just one point of view.

I expect people not to call me names or question my intelligence though.

If you do not like what I post then post something to change my mind without an insult. thats all I ask and thats how each learn

I'm sorry if I was rash, been a bad week on MMI and at home both.

[Simon]

no prob. Like I said you are entitled to your opinion on things and others should respect that and give countering views without being insulting. If anyone does call you names or anything else that is against forum rules just report it and let us deal with it. I was just trying to give my views on what you were saying so hope it didnt come across as insulting, that was definitely not my intention.

[willryan42]

op you're freaking out a bit here.

1) no one claims to HAVE a finished and complete unlock, all we know is that it's possible and the dev team is WORKING on it.

2) apple protecting their hardware from being jailbroken/unlocked is completely irrelevant and unrelated to a monopoly. even if jailbreaking is legal, that doesn't mean they can't fix the exploits and protect their products from hacking.


the unlock is coming kids! let's hope we hear about a 4.3 release tomorrow.

[Stewie Griffin]

How does apple having a strick app verification a monopoly? There are thousands of different developers on the App Store.

As you stated in your own post, mobile terminal, and MANY other apps on cydia are very unreliable, and are often useless for weeks after a firmware update, due to the nature of the application itself.

The app store is the way it is, because its for the MAJORITY of iPhone users. A user can download a program, and if for some odd reason the phone doesn't start anymore, the user will get a brand new phone. If apple didn't have a strick approval process, this could not be possible. Not to mention only things worth having on cydia would put apple in a compromising situation with AT&T, and now Verizon.

IMHO jailbreak should stay where it is, just for the advanced, the normal user would not be able to handle the options, nor would they even need it, they can just pay a little extra for the extra features they want, like they would with any other phone.