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Thread: Unlockers, it's your fault.
09-28-2007, 10:46 PM #61
I bricked my iPhone and the only person I blame is myself for updating. I also made the choice to unlock my iPhone even thou I use AT&T. So it all comes down to you that needs to be blamed not the creators. They didn't hold you by gun and tell you that you had to unlock and update. The dev team will have something soon. Also I know there is a loop hole in the firmware. Any every case when a company updates they always miss something because they are focused on the holes that need to be patched and in the mean while another is created without knowing. Just have faith. I'm going to be out of a iPhone until then. So I will be using my BlackJack.
09-28-2007, 11:04 PM #62
who says I am not?
i don't respond much, but just like it was my choice to buy the iphone, it was my choice to not update it.
Apple is only going to lose money because of their greed so I do not see a problem at all with unlocking the phone. I have not done anything illegal and i am stuck with a $400 v.1.0.2 iPhone until another unlock becomes available, i think i can handle not being able to buy and download music right from my phone.
and if you are looking to blame someone point the finger back at apple. They entire business model is based on costumer loyalty from what i have seen, what better way to earn more loyal costumers than actively preventing them from using their products.
on the other hand what are the odd Apple re-signs with AT&T after 2 years?
09-29-2007, 12:33 AM #63
are you stupid? so don't upgrade the firmware for now. if you're not a damn internets noob, then you would have the proper perspective to whether or not upgrade, amirite? how about wait for devs to make up something, or better yet, stop btching.
patience? how about people living in asia, needing to wait for 2008 with still uncertainity whether iPhone will really release in asia? hmm?
unlocker's fault? their fault for freeing thousands of iPhone users from that goddamn at&t ball and chain? working for the mass at no cost at all? hmm, better rethink your thoughts again.
i try not to reply to simple discussions, but this thread's bliss ignorance forced me.
09-29-2007, 12:48 AM #64
09-29-2007, 12:56 AM #65
Look People We Should Just Stop This Whole Blaming Crap On Anyone,,,we All Know Once The Dam Thing Gets Hacked Again We're All Gonna Be Back At Modding The Darn Thing Again........and For The Non-at&t Users ,,im Just Curious,,,, How Much Was It Worth Unlocking The Phone To Use With Your Provider/?????? I Thought So!!!!!!!!!!! All We're Waiting For Now Is For Those Dam Sprint Customers To Join The Unlockers.
09-29-2007, 01:10 AM #66
"with great power comes great responsabilty" apple gave us the power to mod our phones. they could have easily locked it down since it first came out but no. they made it relatively easy for us. we abused that power by unlocking and putting apple in a very difficult position. It was sandwiched in between its LEGAL bindings with ATT and its CHOICE to allow us to continue modding. apple is known for letting people have their fun but we went to far. i for one say:
Apple im sorry.
[i never unlocked just modded]
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09-29-2007, 03:54 AM #67
I am on at&t and never modded or unlocked. I upgraded to 1.1.1 and i think its a kinda pointless. you cannot download from the store unless you're connected to WiFi...
So basicly your not missing anything.
As for this thread and the whole complaint, I LOVE my phone, i have had AT&T for the past 7 years and have not had any complaints. If the iPhone came out on ANY other carrier i would have still been there on iDay purchasing the iPhone and waiting for an unlock... I do agree that Apple was forced to do this.
I highly doubt that when AT&T had their legal team type up the contract with apple or vice-versa they didnt have something in there about unlocking the phone...It will be interesting to see where this battle with locking/unlocking goes, but i wouldnt be surprised if they shafted many people with bricking the phone.
I have nothing against modding or unlocking, i never did it becasue i didnt want to risk warranty problems or mess up my phone. I normally mod ALL of my gadgets, iPod, PSP, Car...
just my $0.02
09-29-2007, 06:27 AM #68Iphone Love... I dreamed of a iphone before it was out..
09-29-2007, 07:09 AM #69
09-29-2007, 07:42 AM #70
Please stop posting crap like this and go back in your cubicle.
I have heard some BS spewed before but this de de de gets the prize...
09-29-2007, 09:12 AM #71
Yes Apple had to take some stance on the unlockers. How does it cost them 5.2k? They share revenue with AT&T for every iPhone activated on their service. No activation on AT&T means no revenue to share. Their hand was forced.
Did it need to be one that was totally unrepairable, even for a fee? I don't think so. Not repairing it under warranty I can fully understand. Not repairing it at all? Thats another story. If I used something non GM in my Pontiac and it damaged the car, I wouldn't expect my dealer to repair it under my warranty, but I wouldn't expect to be told Sorry - you now have a car shaped planter, go put it in your front yard. For those willing to pay to fix it there should be a way - even if it requires a mandatory activation with AT&T.
The unlockers didn't cause the loss of 3rd party apps. The need to update the phone to add new features did. The update from 1.0.1 to 1.0.2 broke the apps, the update from iTunes 7.3.X to 7.4.X broke the apps and bricked some phones. Who was to blame then? Noone had unlocked anything yet. Oh wait, could it have been... Noone? /gasp.
In technical fields, it's a fact of life: Updates break add ons. When that happens the developers of the add ons take a bit of time and they update to restore them.
Looking for someone to blame is pointless. There is noone to blame.
Last edited by Murfunit; 09-29-2007 at 09:16 AM.Je t'aime encore, Roguette
09-29-2007, 12:30 PM #72
09-29-2007, 12:47 PM #73
09-29-2007, 12:54 PM #74
I cant believe all this talk about how much it costs apple blaa blaa.Do you think they would have sold as many Iphones as they have if the phone couldnt be unlocked??? hell no...They made a killing.I mean they sold 1 million phones just over that weekend from the price drop.Sure they may have problems with AT&T but they shouldnt hold apple liable for someone hacking in and unlocking it...AT&T just wanted to be greedy and get more customers because of the Iphone..Hoping people would switch providers to them just for the Iphone.And then charge people an extrea $20 just to use the Iphone on their network..>BS...Ill stick with unlocked on T-Mobile.
09-29-2007, 01:35 PM #75
My honest and unbiased opinion is this and this is not meant to start up a flame or be anything other than my objective thoughts.
Open Source has been one of those things which has done great good and, despite it going against the idea of capitalism that our economy is based off of, it has also helped spur it on in its own way. I feel that we need both in order to keep progressing with future technology and software. When it comes to the iPhone, it is definitely the cumulation of my argument. We have a product made for a capitalistic market, yet the idea and use of Open Source has caused the sales to be pushed beyond what most likely would have been produced had it been locked in the general sense, meaning no modding at all.
What I haven't taken into account is the contract that Apple has with AT&T and how despite the sales increase due to modding, they are also losing a great deal of money due in part that they decided to only sign with AT&T and most of the unlockers don't use it. So yes, the work of this community has cost them a great deal of money, but it is also pushing their sales up at the same time. If Apple were to have thought through all of this, they probably could have predicted this and formulated a better plan, yet now they are forced, though that isn't really a good choice of words, to push out new firmware to stop this bump in their initial plan and to counter the loss of income they are experiencing.
While I agree that Open Source should be pushed, I feel that it is also safe to assume that we need some capitalistic companies because that is what our country is based off and while software isn't the only type of company in this country, the use of capitalism does help push the development of newer technologies, software, hardware, etc.
If Apple never got its total revenue from iPods, would it have been able to create the iPhone? Maybe. Maybe technology development would have gone a different direction.
Everything works together and I don't feel you can totally separate the two. Enjoy the fruits of both.
(PS. I just woke up, so pardon any repetition or, well, poor grammar and the such.)
*Note* When I say something wouldn't have been produced without capitalism, I meant more along the lines that Apple probably wouldn't have developed it had there been no funding for such.
Last edited by Kitsune; 09-29-2007 at 01:45 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
09-29-2007, 01:49 PM #76
Thank you for your insight. I knew that there was someone here that could do this logically and professionally.
09-29-2007, 01:55 PM #77
09-29-2007, 01:57 PM #78
Says the guy with one post and no relevant information to the topic at hand.
Though it is a bit hypocritical that I even type this in response.
Last edited by Kitsune; 09-29-2007 at 02:00 PM.
09-29-2007, 02:55 PM #79
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09-29-2007, 06:43 PM #80
Man, this thread is getting ugly.