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How the hell is unlocking a phone even remotely related to freedom of speech? So I can just walk around town stealing people's phones to make calls then right? I...
09-28-2007, 02:25 AM #41
How the hell is unlocking a phone even remotely related to freedom of speech?
So I can just walk around town stealing people's phones to make calls then right? I mean, I'd just be exercising freedom of speech, right?!
09-28-2007, 02:43 AM #42
#2- I've been saying this all along. Is no one reading any other threads here?
#3- No it's the users fault for not being able to take NO for an answer. Generally it's a personality flaw called stubbornness. (which I am known for, but when I am told before I spend the money it's my own damn fault).
#4- No doubt, but it will not change the fact that the efforts to unlock only make more efforts to re-lock until they finally get it nailed down. It CAN happen and it will be the result of the efforts to unlock it. Whining is what the whiney arses are doing that bricked their phones into 1.1.1 today after they were told it would happen. Whining is buying a phone that says AT&T only and WHINING because it is only available for that carrier, much like you were doing in #3. Whining is hardly a discussion of the facts.
People on here don't seem to distinguish the difference between modding and unlocking. When you mod you do it at the software level which is perfectly fine. When you unlock you do it at the deepest root of the chip that controls the entire system and it bones your setup. This is where I have a problem with it. What you need is to get a very big cup of coffee and sit down to read ALL of this: http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8491
Then you'll see why (a) this is a very stupid thing to do to your phone and (b) why the modding is not only cool, but safe! - however the unlocking is a ticking time bomb in your system that can cause "irreparable damage". It wasn't a threat by apple, it was a warning of truth.
If PF can read that thread I linked and still fully support unlocking with the logistics described in how it destroys the hardware of the system, then I have underestimated how far one will go to "have it their way". Modding at the software level is not only a beautiful thing, it's healthy for the system in comparison to hardware re-writing. There is a massive difference. I love and support PF and this site and everything on it and about it except the self inflicted destruction of the hardware chip due to the operation of unlocking. Just read the thread linked.
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09-28-2007, 04:57 AM #43
Sorry, but I need to chime in here..
Unlocking is like freedom of speech? That is ridiculous. Someone needs to read that amendment again!
Further, though I do feel you should be able to unlock your phone, I also feel that the original post of this thread is somewhat accurate. Keep in mind that apple and att have a binding contract and millions or more dollars at stake. Though we do not know what truly happens at apples board meetings, you can bet that att, who loses money every time someone chooses to unlock rather than contract att, undoubtedly pressured apple to to stop the unlocking. I think we are all forgetting the fact that att doesn't get the contract when the phone is unlocked and brought to another service! With that in mind and thinking business bottom line, att and apple have no choice but to cease the unlocking every chance they get. Remember, apple, like any company, does not care all that much about the customer. They care about the bottom line first, customer second.
As for me, right now I am still enjoying my mods and will not update until this passes. Many thanks to all the people who put their time and effort into the mods/apps. Cheers!
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09-28-2007, 06:05 AM #44
YOUR WRONGIf you buy an iphone it's your property not apples and yet STEVE is playing stupid. Treating customers like crap.Iphone Love... I dreamed of a iphone before it was out..
09-28-2007, 07:32 AM #45
09-28-2007, 07:50 AM #46Really?
09-28-2007, 08:02 AM #47
I would of waited for the iPhone for Rogers in canada but unfortunately we are not as lucky as you to get unlimited data for a decent price. and most likely Rogers will MAKE us get Data.. Therefore i will never buy a phone with Rogers.. I never have.
unlocking has been around for a while now and didn;t Apple's stock go up 2% the day after Geohotz unlocked the first iphone?
so i think Apple is making TONES of money off people buy their product..
you have some valid points and i think people are over seeing them because of the offense they are taking..
i myself unlocked my iphone because:
1) i am cellphone whore.. i need the newest phone out there.
2) the price dropped.. i would never pay the original price the phone was so blame Steve for that one
3) even if Rogers gets it i am NOT and i repeat NOT paying the ridiculous data prices here in Canada. and they would probably cripple every cool thing about the phone just like they do every other phone that is sold through a phone company.
4) i really couldn;t care less how much money who is making or losing just as long as i have a sweet phone..
and i think the third party apps woulda still been screwed with the new firmware
but like i said u do have some valid points.. but i am happy along with thousands of people out there with unlocked iphones ; >
now can't we all just get along!! we share the same interests so yep :>
09-28-2007, 10:06 AM #48
I wouldn't call it a fault of the unlockers that the third party apps have been taken away, just an inevitable consequence. I agree with the unlock, as I bought the phone with the assumption that I paid for a phone, not an expensive 2 year contract with a single network, sounds monopolistic in my opinion, I'm in the UK, and I'm not waiting until Nov 9th to pay £269 PLUS contract for a near half year old phone that faced stiff competition on entry to the market.
The opportunity cost to apple would have been less if they had the phone open to >1 carrier from the beginning, rather than
having to waste resources and time trying to fight the army of hackers. This will turn into a war just like the PSP, just on a larger scale.
09-28-2007, 12:48 PM #49
09-28-2007, 01:51 PM #50
I unlocked cause I wanted an iphone and was on t-mobile. Why should I have to cancel my t-mobile to go to AT&T....Just like everything else all the geniuses out there will have a fix..
09-28-2007, 03:52 PM #51
sorry, i dont usually pay attention to sigs. but if you are proudly running 1.0.2, then why the f^ck did you even make this thread? if you still have your hacks and mods, why even complain? what good does blaming unlockers for these updates do for you? absolutely nothing. you say that this deserved its own thread. how exactly? 90% of the users who have responded have disagreed with you. get over yourself, and stop being a douche.
09-28-2007, 05:27 PM #52
OK, fine those who say it's their phone, it's their choice, I agree with you. However...
When Apple goes out of business, and no one still has the iPhone, and there are no more updates, and there are no new versions, who is to blame? The unlockers are. I actually disagree with Apple's decision to lock it. They should of just released it unlocked in the first place. The iPhone is unlike most other GSM-locked phones because the carrier and maker have a partnership. Apple loses money everytime someone unlocks the iPhone. They gain a lot more money when we use AT&T. Now it's not that I'm an Apple zealot but I want new versions of the iPhone and of OS X for that matter.
09-28-2007, 05:49 PM #53
i have att.. and i unlo ked the phone because i believe that it is my right to do whatever I want with my phone that I payed for.
and np, apple will not go out of business cause of the unlocks... think of how much $$$ they will be making when the new mac os is released...actually... I'm sure the profit they made from iPod are exceed what they make off the iPhone and that stupid att contract
and I have faith in the dev team, I'm sure someone will beat this update. but tip then 1.0.2 is good enough for me
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09-28-2007, 06:14 PM #54
The DMCA specifically states that cell phone firmware that ties a phone to a specific wireless network is legal to alter in order to make it work with another carrier. That is the law. So there is nothing illegal about unlocking your iPhone to work with another carrier.
Yes, Apple is MORE than welcome to say that it voids the warranty, because they have stated that the iPhone warranty is void if the device is used "in a manner not intended by Apple," which unlocking constitutes. BUT, they are are not within their rights to pursue legal recompense against someone who has unlocked their iPhone. Commercially unlocking is another issue, but this is not what we're discussing.
Unlocking did not RUIN anything for anyone. When the iPhone was released, hackers and modders delved into the firmware as a challenge, a hobby, and a way to add functionality to a device which they already loved. Each update broke that functionality until the applications were updated. 1.1.1 relocks iPhones, which lets Apple tell ATT they ARE working on "the situation" and retain their business contract with AT&T (GASP! you mean Apple needs to make a PROFIT, poetic? They don't exist just to create beautiful goodies for us and push the market in design, usability, and features without any financial gain? That's crazy!).
Give it a few days, maybe a week or so, and developers will have modded this firmware as well. Patience. It took a bit the first time, give them some time again.
Apple still makes great products, and I still love em.
09-28-2007, 08:02 PM #55
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09-28-2007, 08:15 PM #56
Thus far i haven't seen anyone blaming Apple for this.
I'm just enjoying my nice paperweight while it is one, Im sure well have them up and running soon enough. In the mean time, i'll be catching up on some other hobbies while i wait.
09-28-2007, 08:20 PM #57
09-28-2007, 08:48 PM #58
Yes, PF we will get it back unlocked for the masses and we will have to do this again shortly when apple locks it again because they are going to pursue this more aggressively than anything you've ever seen. The more it is unlocked, the more it will be locked until we get down to nothing. Total lock.... it can happen. Then we are all screwed because of the 15% that wanted to unlock. THAT is the point.
Until the fix comes I just won't update, but we will need apple in the future for something, then what? This conversation IS relevant to the future.
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09-28-2007, 09:29 PM #59
I honestly doubt it. Its unprecedented in mobile phone history, and not like Apple either. EVERY cell phone made has people who unlock it, thats the LAW. Not sure how Apple is legally skirting this issue. Either way, I don't think anyone is ruining anything. This is modding. Time will tell.
09-28-2007, 09:29 PM #60