[Atreides]

I've come to the conclusion that all attempts thus far to fix the problem are voodoo science. The problems in the firmware and seems any phone can hang. My wife's virgin 2G v2.0.2 with just a handful of Appstore apps hung a few days back just synching to itunes. It hung uninstalling an app she removed from itunes. Sorry guys, this isn't a pwn or cydia issue proof positive from my perspective. My only advice is, similar to above, take each step with patience - avoid batch install / uninstall - reboot phone between app installs. Then again, the above might no more decrease crash chances as clicking your boots thrice will get a slot machine to payout...

Cheers

[dsedapr]

the thing about mivtones is that it worked flawless on every other firmware jailbroken that I have had on my phone, as of right now I have no other issues. What I'm trying to see is if this is a global issue, as mivtones (the one that's making my phone crap out) is hosted on the mmi repository. Because if it is not compatible with this firmware other users will wait for an update in the program that corresponds to what firmware they're using that way the mmi repo man can change the details on the current mivtones cydia release stating that it's for 2.0.1 only

[santiagodraco]

Lol this whole thing brings back the nightmare memories of my days using a Palm Treo. From what I can see Apple is Treo 2.0, smarter, faster and just as buggy.

Let's hope they get the act together with the 2.1 update and we don't have to worry about a certain alignment of the stars forcing us to recover our phones ;D

Whelp, another frozen phone and hours of restore incomming.

Once again, even after seeming to be "clean" a Cydia app install has again ****** up the phone requiring another restore. This is seriously getting old.

Installed (well attempted to install) Insomnia, the script runs, complete button came up but watch out, the spinning gear is on up top.... yep corrupted iPhone.

Saurik this may or may not be your problem, but it needs looking at. I think I and others have spent as much time recovering as you've spent developing Cydia.

I have yet to have any install from the Installer app cause a problem. Even the same apps when I tried them on one of the other 20 times I've had a phone go to hell.

[JazJon]

again, for now I suggest you stay away from the hard core apps that dig deep and override system stuff. The only thing I install are Flashlight, SwapCameraRooll, iTextUploader, Snature, Cycorder, Quik Flixwagon, videorecorder, BossPref, WifiToggle, and OpenSSH. I've avoided all the other temping tweaks for now.

[OneRing2Rule]

Been reading this thread and others like it with GREAT interest. I've restored my phone about 10 times over the last few days, and have always seen Cydia kill my iphone. I'm installing three items, Snapture, SwapTunes, and Cycorder. That's it!

I'm about ready to throw this SOB out of the window.

I have NEVER had this much trouble. I've jailbroke probably fifteen to eighteen iphones for people (I work in a library, people know I'm the geek) and I've NEVER seen crap like this.

Okay, last time, here's my steps, using a 16gb 3G iphone:

1. Restore the phone, using a winpwn 2.5 ipsw that I KNOW is good. (custom logos and a 1.0G partition with Cydia and Installer) (looking good)
2. Set up as a new phone. (looking good) Everything is great so far. I'm activated
3. Before installing any apps or even syncing data, I'm starting up Cydia.
4. Ah, frak, I was typing and it installed Ambiance, Holy Bible, Bubbles and 3-Tuple. I stopped the install.
5. Okay, Cydia started and reorganized (whatever that is)
6. Found my wireless and logged in.
7. Loading Snapture. Spinning wheel in the upper bar. Okay, it's gone. MOMENT OF TRUTH. I hit the home button to get back to the main screen.
8. It's THERE.
9. Going for the other two. One. at. a. time.
10. Cycorder: Good. Spinning wheel up top for a bit. Waiting for it to stop before hitting the "Return to cydia" button.
11: SwapTunes: Good.
12: Hit the home button. I see the icons. Spinning wheel up top on the home screen. Very nervous.
13: I'm good.
14: Starting up iTunes and stopping the sync right away.
15: Okay, syncing contacts and info, ringtones. On apps, everything is deselected except the first four. Syncing.
16: Still good. Hawt dayum.
17: Re-syncing with one more app checked. (actually, this cleans up my iPhone a bit. had a lot of freebie junk.)
18: Huh, just noticed that the ringtones didn't sync over. Weird, but might be because I'm manually managing music. No biggie.
19: Put Clone Wars on the iPhone, just to load it a bit. Still good.

So, it looks like it's not just putting the apps on using AppStore, it's okay to use iTunes. It's just INSTALL ONE AT A TIME. OPEN UP YOUR IPHONE AND LET THE CIRCLE SPIN ON THE BAR UP TOP. When it's done, you can sync again. That's the frakking key.

Well, that and use Cydia first.

Later,

Okay, I think this might have been the most helpful thread I've read in a long time. Thanks everso to all. Thanks will be clicked shortly.

Best,

OneRing2Rule, going back to sleep.

[santiagodraco]

I followed those "golden" rules in my last attempt last night, I never synced. The new phone kill occured, as always, after installing an app using Cydia.

Yeah, I'll stay away from the heavy system level apps, but isn't Cydia one itself?

Why can't you close Cydia using the "hold down home button for 5 seconds" to reset to the Springboard? You can do it with every other app. Is cydia running in the background?

Anyway it's pretty clear that the problems are due to either the Jailbreak itself or the installation process using Cydia. I have never had a problem if I don't jailbreak the phone, never using Installer and never using an app unless it was installed via Cydia and the phone had not had a successful reset.

Is it Cydia? Hard to say, sure seems so, but I can only speak to what I observe, something else may be the cause underlying. But it's NOT Apple imo since everything works fine before jailbreak and running Cydia to install apps.

[bhz1]

I have had Cydia hang a couple of times liek that after installing an app but I am always able to get things to work by doing a hard reboot (hold power and home simultaneously until the screen goes black and powers back up. It taks a LONG time to rebbot while I hold my breath (I usually put the phone down and go away to do something else) When I come back the phone back to life.

I have also found that its usually helpful to occasionally reboot the phone after several app installations. Most importantly to reboot after the initial jailbreak after Cydia reorganizes the files.While it is not required, it seems to help.

[santiagodraco]

If you have that happen and get to where the reboot takes forever, then it will always take forever in my experience. Plus, it may simply never return... I can't be on the road with a phone that may reset and not boot

But yeah, I was also rebooting often during installs. I'll say this, I can install every single App Store app with out any problems. The machine can lock, unlock, etc etc, and never once has it caused a system crash. I've had Installer lockup a couple of times (well not able to complete a task) and I've simply used the default "hold home for 5 seconds) to kill the app, with no ramifications.

[JazJon]

Originally Posted by santiagodraco

If you have that happen and get to where the reboot takes forever, then it will always take forever in my experience. Plus, it may simply never return... I can't be on the road with a phone that may reset and not boot

But yeah, I was also rebooting often during installs. I'll say this, I can install every single App Store app with out any problems. The machine can lock, unlock, etc etc, and never once has it caused a system crash. I've had Installer lockup a couple of times (well not able to complete a task) and I've simply used the default "hold home for 5 seconds) to kill the app, with no ramifications.

That's what happened to me. I even let the last stuck boot sit there over night. When I woke up it was still on the pineapple. After much trial and error I found the best way was to go slow and do the one at a time method. I've been going strong with no problems or hangs ever since. So yes I was very happy to find this thread to confirm our collective findings.

I'm reading around, and it appears their may be yet another fix that doest require a full restore. Check this out.

http://www.modmyi.com/forums/cydia-s...ml#post1885231

and (supposed to work with iphone's too)

Now Stickied:[DUMMIES GUIDE] How To Fix An iPhod Stuck On Boot Logo W/O Restoring - iPod touch Fans forum


This is good to know, because I fear I might be on the road some day with a stuck brick. Hopefully this other work around saves the day. I never used to leave my SSH running, but I guess I'll go ahead and change my root password, and leave SSH running as my back door fix option.

[Eurisko]

Originally Posted by cpjr

There is a glitch in which apps that are installed will cause this hangup. Restore your Iphone FIRST leaving everything off of it (no apps, etc.) and then proceed to pwn away.

So far this has fixed every hangup I have encountered.

Pretty much defeats the whole purpose of QuickPwn. If you're going to have to restore anyways, may as well just use Pwnage.

[JazJon]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

Pretty much defeats the whole purpose of QuickPwn. If you're going to have to restore anyways, may as well just use Pwnage.

I'm new with the jailbreak game. I usually prefer to be stable vs having a few extra fun hacked toys with the added possibility of bein unstable.. What sold me on going for it was how easy quickpwn was, and the must have video apps out there. I like spoofapp too, very fun.

While I haven't given regular pwnage a huge amount of research, it wasn't obvious how to use Pwnage my first few casual attempts. It sounded like it required you to manually put the hacked firmware into itunes to let it restore. I'll have to read more FAQ's on how Pwnage works vs QuickPwn. For now I'll use what works for me, but I agree that it's not necessarily the only option to get things done if we have to do a full restore anyway. If we have to start from scratch both ways, which method is faster?

[Eurisko]

Well the Dev Team has recommended that if you want the possibility of unlocking your phone in the future, any upgrade should always been Pwn'd. Pwnage doesn't require that the firmware be placed in iTunes. It simply takes the regular firmware and customizes it so you can do your upgrade/jailbreak/activate all in one step through iTunes.

[techgirl]

Guys I too have been facing the spinning wheel issue, but have been able to resolve by turning the off (hard reset, then turn off), then plugging in to an outlet, not my computer. It takes about 5 min, but the screen comes back. I thought it was the number of apps I have, unsure...

[JazJon]

Originally Posted by techgirl

Guys I too have been facing the spinning wheel issue, but have been able to resolve by turning the off (hard reset, then turn off), then plugging in to an outlet, not my computer. It takes about 5 min, but the screen comes back. I thought it was the number of apps I have, unsure...

I had mine plugged into the outlet charger when I let the pineapple screen sit there all night long for over 8 hours. It never worked no matter how long I waited or how many times I hard reset.

I've been rock solid all weekend long ever since I followed the new golden rules.

[santiagodraco]

Upgraded to the new Cydia yesterday. I've installed a BUNCH of apps via Cydia and so far no problems whatsoever....

I'm tempted to restore my phone/Jailbreak, mass install iTunes apps and then install Cydia and some apps.

But so far it's looking like the problem was with Cydia (or at least Cydia having issues with 2.0.1/2 or something).

But so far so good, I slept well last night!