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03-21-2014, 09:42 PM #21
Sounds like the same pack of whiners who ***** about jailbreaks taking too long.
03-21-2014, 10:40 PM #22
Apple hasn't been innovative since Tim cook took over. No iwatch, no new Apple TV, no big LCD phone, boring.
03-21-2014, 10:45 PM #23
03-21-2014, 10:57 PM #24
Time Magazine determining irrelevance?! Well, they're experts in that subject. Physician, heal thyself.
03-21-2014, 11:37 PM #25
03-22-2014, 12:10 AM #26
Somehow I think apple will survive.
03-22-2014, 12:18 AM #27
Apple TV completely changed the way I watch TV, play music, or roughly any way I entertain myself in my house. ONLY iPhone connects to everything in my house, door locks, thermostat, lights, stereos in two rooms and home theatre, even my alarm clock... And it all works seamlessly. I still haven't seen any android or windows system that will do that.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And nothing apple currently makes, in my opinion, is broke.
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03-22-2014, 01:25 AM #28
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[Double post; still hadn't been approved or appeared by 2pm so tried again further down, sorry]
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03-22-2014, 02:36 AM #29
I'm a huge Apple fan—I really am—but people are attributing a false narrative to it. Steve Jobs wasn't an innovator—devices similar to smartphones (palm pilots for one) existed long before the iPhone. MP3 players existed long before the iPod. Laptops existed long before the Macbook.
Apple doesn't need to release ANYTHING that's "innovative," they just need to release the best products in categories that already exist. That's what they've always done.
You realize anybody can write any article anywhere, right? And that Wikipedia cites its sources? And that for political philosophies or the definitions/histories of, say, labor unions, it pretty much gets it right? And that you, as a consumer of it, can't get it wrong if you have half a brain?
I know your straw man argument sounded really smart to you and all but, well, it made me facepalm.
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03-22-2014, 03:30 AM #30
Someone explain this to me: Who else is "innovating" - per the definition of the word - these days, in the smartphone/tablet/pc markets? Since Apple is so stagnant and all these other companies are supposedly surpassing them, list some of their "innovations".
Google Glass is about all I can think of, and it's probably doomed to social pariah-dom.
"Larger screens" are not innovative.
Multi-tasking on a tablet is a decent feature - not innovation.
Knight Rider watches aren't, either.
Apple innovates, then everyone else (even Apple) just updates and tweaks.
Apple's the one player - maybe Google too - big enough globally to fundamentally change the TV/cable content landscape. It'll be a fight, but I'm betting that's their next "innovation" and game-changer.
"Innovation" changes the landscape, and Apple has done that their entire existence. Personal computers, all-in-ones, smartphones, tablets, music players... all of those markets fundamentally changed because of Apple's innovation.
Apple's main concern now is that many of these younger startups are filled with people who grew up WITH Apple, and inspired by them... so now there will be a landscape of forward-thinking, paradigm-shattering companies. Hopefully, anyway. This article proclaiming Apple's death if they don't release a damn calculator watch is asinine.
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03-22-2014, 02:57 PM #31
Chicago, u nailed it. The problem is Apple is held to a different standard. Nobody cares if Samsung isn't innovating when they are making knock off iPads that my kids won't even use. Other than Google, most of these other companies are just doing tweaks and not game changers. And even Google realizes it's about creating an integrated ecosystem (software, hardware, cloud) more than just innovating.
Think about how much innovation our cars have had in the last dozen years - not that much comparatively.
The irony of Time calling someone irrelevant is too much. Apple could buy them and close them down without batting an eye.
03-22-2014, 03:33 PM #32
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Hi! I'm new here, and I've been having trouble figuring out the moderator approval and all that (so double posted into the ether). Hopefully this gets through.
Neither TIME nor its tech writer Harry McCracken (who is admittedly a good friend of mine) called Apple irrelevant or said it was doomed (the clock is intended as a joke). The first post in this thread is mistaken, based on a misreading of the article, incorrectly describes or attributes attitudes, *and* the link below to "Source: Time" is actually to CNBC (an article from Thursday with the actual "Apple is doomed in 60 days" prediction by Global Equities Research director Trip Chowhdry, who has a tendency to make odd Apple-related predictions or misstatements, but was taken at face value by CNBC).
Here's the actual TIME article:
If There’s No iWatch in 60 Days, Apple Is Doomed, Doomed, Doomed - TIME
The TIME piece was a response to that, critiquing Chowhdry in a humorous manner. It's clear from the first sentence to anyone reading closely that McCracken does *not* support, endorse, or agree with Chowhdry's claim: "I’m used to rolling my eyes when analysts issue proclamations about Apple, but I can’t remember ever sputtering in disbelief — until now."
The initial post also misread and takes out of context another part of the article: "By McCracken's admission, saying that Apple could be doomed if it doesn't dazzle us with an iWatch (or something new and exciting) within the next 60 days isn't just "another wacky over-the-top Apple prediction."
No, this is what was written: "But saying that Apple will (not “might”) disappear (not “suffer a setback”) if it doesn’t produce an iWatch in 60 days (not “reasonably soon”)? That’s not another wacky over-the-top Apple prediction. The prognosticator who Chowdry reminds me of most is the late evangelist Harold Camping...." He then explains that Camping was the man who predicted the world would end on October 21, 2011. So the comparison hardly suggests a great deal of confidence in the "gone in 60 days" claim.
He also clarifies *why* he thinks the claim is ridiculous, largely for the same reasons people have mentioned here, assuming that a need for a wearable or "iWatch" or whatever is that important to start with: "With Chowdhry’s quote, though, there’s no mitigating factor. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen an alleged expert say about Apple. Especially given that the company entered the MP3 player, smartphone and tablet markets years after numerous other companies — part of the secret of its success is swooping into markets awfully late in the game."
Then, as a joke, he says "there’s some chance that I’m the dummy. Just in case, I’ve created the above Apple Doomsday Clock, which is counting down even as we speak. It’s set to conclude 60 days after the publication of Thompson’s story."
One can of course disagree with the tone, whether it's too frivolous, and so on, but I just felt it only fair to clarify what TIME and the author actually said, especially since nothing here linked to the real article. Thanks, and I hope this got through this time.
03-22-2014, 05:13 PM #33
03-23-2014, 12:50 AM #34
Bull. Don't believe anything u read.
03-23-2014, 06:08 PM #35
Consider...the facts ...apple has always wowed people...every year...there was a flagship feature ....a must have...up to the iphone 4s it was like that for me .... I paid 400$ for my 3gs when it came out....5 years later still works...the phone is still exciting to use...the iphone 5s or 5c or 5 have nothing that i like about them...xcept for syncing and jailbreaking...samsung has been innovating beautifully guess what their next phone will take yer heartbeat...lol ill pay 600$ for that cuz its awesome...i wont pay 600$ for the same iphone just a bit faster nothing new...steve is missed ...remember the 7.1 freezing the iphone...its a 800 $ device with a 64 bit processor that freezes on a update come on people...leave the fan boyness aside and recognize...we want the iphone to take our heartbeat rate too ...cuz the iphone 5s is a 4s but a lil better n that sux
03-23-2014, 06:25 PM #36
I have used Apple products exclusively since 1982. They did not come out with fancy gadgets every year back then. They did however produce an excellent computer that has wowed me ever since. People just need to get over the "we need a new thing" every 6 months dream.
03-23-2014, 06:49 PM #37
Someone remind me... When was the last time the Android front did anything "spectacular"? I have yet to see anything other than phones so obscenely large they are damn near unusable. Apple has been the first to bring something to the table, only to have Android manufacturers (Samsung) follow suit shortly after, then they are quickly labeled as "boring" and "unintuitive" while Android manufacturers (Samsung) are just waiting for Apple to release something for them to copy. But they don't get near as much hate for that.
03-23-2014, 07:09 PM #38
No one gives a **** about an iWatch. Didn't that get proven with Samsungs flop?
03-24-2014, 12:23 PM #39
03-25-2014, 12:03 PM #40