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    Default IT Solutions Company Deems Apple's MacBook Pro "Best Performing Windows Laptop"


    According to Soluto, a PC management services company, “in the field” testing has revealed that an Apple-built laptop is the number one performing Windows machine as of April 2013, despite the fact that it isn’t optimized for the operating system. In its first ever report, Soluto looked at long term analysis of a “huge number” of PCs, taking data from application crashes, freezes, long boot-ups and other general computing slow-downs in what it called “frustration analytics,” and found Apple’s 13-inch MacBook Pro to be the best Windows laptop available.

    Along with taking the top spot, the 15-inch Retina display MacBook Pro came in at number six, behind PCs made by Acer and Dell. Acer’s $429 Aspire E1-571 came in second, while Dell’s XPS13 followed in third place. Soluto’s report mentioned the following:

    The MacBook Pro is the most expensive PC among the top 3, but if you’re looking for top reliability - the data is clear. MacBook Pro is the best Windows PC on the market.
    It was noted that comparing a Windows install on a MacBook Pro with one from Acer or Dell is a bit unfair as Apple’s version is “clean” and devoid of bloatware usually pre-loaded by PC OEMs. The company points out that a future analysis will take this discrepancy into account but for now the “frustration” data looks to highlight real life use and not lab testing. Although the 13-inch MacBook Pro did have some downsides, such as the need to purchase and install Windows through Bootcamp or third-party PC virtualization software like Parallels. The Mac keyboard is also not specifically mapped for Microsoft’s OS and installing drivers can also be an issue for certain users.

    It should be noted that for its sample, the firm data used 150,000 laptops over a three month period, from January to April, analyzing "application crashes, application hangs, blue-screens-of-death, boot time and number of background processes" to generate a comparison that it says yields a "real user experience."

    Source: Soluto via AppleInsider, CNET

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    This is nonsense. It's very clear they did this with the intention of being provocative and giving these reviews. Windows on a mac has so many driver problems, not to mention you're paying 3X for the same specs a normal PC can give you. Would a $1200 macbook look nicer and appear more solid than something that is literally a third of the price? Well duh. Why don't we take a mercedes benz and put a honda civic engine in it while we're at it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacquesChirac View Post
    This is nonsense. It's very clear they did this with the intention of being provocative and giving these reviews. Windows on a mac has so many driver problems, not to mention you're paying 3X for the same specs a normal PC can give you. Would a $1200 macbook look nicer and appear more solid than something that is literally a third of the price? Well duh. Why don't we take a mercedes benz and put a honda civic engine in it while we're at it too.
    You should not get any driver problems if you are doing everything correctly, and have all the right compatibility checks. I run Windows 8 on my MacBook Pro and it is an overall better experience than my Windows 8 Vostro.

    Also the fact that I can dual boot back into Mac OS X ML is pretty amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacquesChirac View Post
    This is nonsense. It's very clear they did this with the intention of being provocative and giving these reviews. Windows on a mac has so many driver problems, not to mention you're paying 3X for the same specs a normal PC can give you. Would a $1200 macbook look nicer and appear more solid than something that is literally a third of the price? Well duh. Why don't we take a mercedes benz and put a honda civic engine in it while we're at it too.
    Exactly what I thought. For that price I'd expect no less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacquesChirac View Post
    This is nonsense. It's very clear they did this with the intention of being provocative and giving these reviews. Windows on a mac has so many driver problems, not to mention you're paying 3X for the same specs a normal PC can give you. Would a $1200 macbook look nicer and appear more solid than something that is literally a third of the price? Well duh. Why don't we take a mercedes benz and put a honda civic engine in it while we're at it too.
    [sarcasm] Good points on the looking nicer and appearing more solid. Oh, except that was not mentioned in this article, except by you. I think they mentioned “frustration analytics,” in the testing.

    [sarcasm] Good point on three times the price...except only one of the others is 1/3 the price. Since they are comparing performance, welllll, the article mentioning who performed well and at what cost (≈$1,200) seems ... ok'ish.

    Apparently their testing did not indicate the problems you have had with driver problems, maybe you're running different programs. But then again, based upon your earlier comments of appearance (which have no relevance) and comment of prices (only one of the top five fits your math, one is half'ish, one is comparable) I am left not feeling your credibility.

    All that being said, I rarely trust anyone's reviews or articles for accuracy anymore w/o a strong history.
    Last edited by GeoffS4; 04-25-2013 at 08:30 AM.

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    Ya not to mention Acer and Dell are the worst 2 PC companies out there.. And under half, even 3 times, the price of the MacBook Pro 13. Why not compare it to a 1200 dollar Asus??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akshay Masand View Post
    It was noted that comparing a Windows install on a MacBook Pro with one from Acer or Dell is a bit unfair as Apple’s version is “clean” and devoid of bloatware usually pre-loaded by PC OEMs. The company points out that a future analysis will take this discrepancy into account…
    That's a pretty important discrepancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by niklpl8dpokets View Post
    Ya not to mention Acer and Dell are the worst 2 PC companies out there.. And under half, even 3 times, the price of the MacBook Pro 13. Why not compare it to a 1200 dollar Asus??
    It's likely that there was a $1200 Asus in there since they used 150,000 laptops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JacquesChirac View Post
    This is nonsense. It's very clear they did this with the intention of being provocative and giving these reviews. Windows on a mac has so many driver problems, not to mention you're paying 3X for the same specs a normal PC can give you. Would a $1200 macbook look nicer and appear more solid than something that is literally a third of the price? Well duh. Why don't we take a mercedes benz and put a honda civic engine in it while we're at it too.
    What driver problems? It's the same hardware as a Windows PC. I have a MacPro that I run windows 7 on all the time. I even use a PC GTX 570 video card in it for OSX and Windows. The only driver issue is the AppleHFS driver for windows, it causes frequent BSOD's, just delete it though.

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    So this article basically says that Macs run windows better.

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    Saying it's overpriced and spouting off specs that are similar, though not the same, and can be found in an 8 pound plastic notebook is meaningless. If specs are all you care about then buy an Android device and leave these forums. When you buy a Mac you are paying for quality. And in case you didn't notice, ultrabooks with similar specs from Samsung or Lenovo are within $100 of what Apple's asking for. Premium products command premium prices. It's not just specs. The materials, the craftsmanship, the weight, the customer service: these are all things that add value and can't be found in a notebook twice the weight and half the price. A BMW and a Chevy both have wheels, an engine, and can get you from point A to point B. That doesn't make them equal. Just ask a BMW or Macbook owner and they'll affirm what I've said. Think about it.
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    FYI... You have to actually install the drivers that are on the disc included in the box... Forget about the price... the article is about performance and reliability... boy you really do seem to have a civic engine up in there.... The only driver issue I have come across while going through the procedure (over 250 times) is the keyboard were the function keys would not work. To my surprise 'cough cough', reinstalling the single drivers works like a charm... Never the less, the mac still boots windows faster then any other... No such thing as a reliable Asus nor Acer four that matter...

    You want cheap, then buy cheap. The point of this article is that windows runs ''better'' on a mac then anything else, which is something I have been saying for years... This article aint news.


    It should be noted that for its sample, the firm data used 150,000 laptops over a three month period,[...]
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    does anyone still buy acer?

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    That "study"... Is that all the data they used? There was no actual analyzation of the causes of the "frustration" events? Was it really just an observation of logs without using proper scientific controls or even accounting for what processes were responsible for causing the events? Do these Soluto experts understand why 37,000 sources is inadequate in this study under these conditions?

    Just to cite this now, to clarify why I'm using the number 37,000 instead of 150,000:

    We started by choosing 150k PCs that 1) are of a laptop form-factor, including ultrabooks and netbooks; and 2) their OS was installed in the past 12 months (because we wanted to focus on laptops available for purchase on the market today).

    We then removed every PC model that is either 1) not offered anymore for purchase or; 2) exists in insignificant amounts within our user base.

    We were left with 37k laptops, spanning 49 models (“relevant models”). Vendors represented are (in descending order of how many models they have represented): HP, Lenovo, Dell, Samsung, Asus, Acer, Toshiba and Apple.

    Source: Soluto | PC Purchasing Guide
    Not all of those 37,000 computers had the same configuration of installed software, if many at all. This, and not the computer's brand, is more likely to cause frustration events. Software, usually third-party, is the cause of crashes, hangs, BSoDs, slowdown, and nearly every other performance-decreasing problem experienced by users. But this study uses those problems to generate a score for hardware components and OS software.

    If you took the software responsible for a crash and installed it on any other PC or Mac running Windows, the chances for a crash occurring would often be the same as on the original machine, with the exception of some things like hardware driver conflicts. But we aren't shown the causes of the frustration events in the study on the Soluto website, so we can't know what percentage of the events may be relevant.
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    Without conducting the study in a controlled environment, the results have no frame of reference. How many and which brands experienced physical damage during the study? How many had viruses? Which viruses were they and what do their functions do? What list of installed programs did each of the 37,000 computers have, what are the known conflicts between each computer's installed programs, and why do the conflicts occur? What known hardware and driver issues exist for each of the components in the pool of 37,000 computers, and which drivers conflict with which of each computer's installed programs? What is the state of each computer's registry, and are there any conflicts originating from the registry, and if so, what values are conflicting with what software and why is the conflict occurring? Do the frustration events coincide with high CPU load, high memory usage, high temperatures, power surges / outages, etc? Are cats chewing on the wires? How consistent is each frustration event and its underlying cause across each brand and model of computer? Are there exceptions in the consistencies of the causes of those frustration events? What hardware components were changed or modified on each computer? Are boot options set the same on each of the 37,000 computers, and was boot data offset appropriately for computers using modified boot settings?

    Why was average background processes used as a scoring category? Programs like Chrome differ greatly in this way as opposed to Firefox; Chrome creates a new process for each tab, while Firefox uses one process total for all tabs. Was this data used to offset the "background processes" calculations?

    Were any of these things used to offset the results? This isn't a study. This is an event log with no causal data. They don't even disclose how many computers of each brand were monitored. "25 more processes equivalent to one additional crash every week"... Explain this reasoning in fine technical detail please, citing the OS algorithms from which this logic has been derived, and how it takes into account the irrelevance of 25 open notepad documents.

    I came here because I was interested in reading a technical examination of what would make a Mac run Windows better than a PC. It's disappointing to find no comprehensive data at all, even in the study cited by the article. Soluto touts its use of uncontrolled testing environments as "real people under real conditions", but they don't have the ability to gather the data relevant to the "real world" conditions that may have affected the scores.

    It puzzles me. With access to such a large number of subjects, why do such a shallow study? It's a waste. I guess maybe Soluto's servers don't receive detailed enough crash and system information from the PCs connected to their network?

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    This makes sense. We have plenty of faculty members that prefer to have a MacBook Pro running Windows rather than buying an actual PC, they don't have nearly as many problems. Also I would hope that someone smart would format their new PC so they don't have any crapware...then put Windows on it. You definitely get what you pay!

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    As I was reading all I could think was these complainers have never used or owned a Mac book pro or they would understand what's up. I owned pc's for years, did all the work on them myself (formats etc) and my family's and friends too. (No I'm not an IT. I'm self taught. Easy for PC's)
    Then after getting so tired if having to fix them I finally saved up for my Mac book pro 13in. I have never had to repair format anything!! Just bought Mac Keeper and I'm good to go. The money I'd spent on pc's since 1998 I could have at least 7 Mac books. So say what you want about Mercedes - Honda, whatever, but think about it which would you REALLY rather drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiiWendy View Post
    As I was reading all I could think was these complainers have never used or owned a Mac book pro or they would understand what's up. I owned pc's for years, did all the work on them myself (formats etc) and my family's and friends too. (No I'm not an IT. I'm self taught. Easy for PC's)
    Then after getting so tired if having to fix them I finally saved up for my Mac book pro 13in. I have never had to repair format anything!! Just bought Mac Keeper and I'm good to go. The money I'd spent on pc's since 1998 I could have at least 7 Mac books. So say what you want about Mercedes - Honda, whatever, but think about it which would you REALLY rather drive.
    Either you are not telling the truth by a mile or you are horrible with working with PC, but if you spent enough to have at least 7 mac books then something is seriously wrong and I wonder why you would keep doing it and not think.

    Give people some credit. Most people here who spent the time to read the articles and make an account have played with macs and probably own one or two apple product. Otherwise they wouldn't be here. I myself am a previous owner of a macbook pro but no longer. I only have an iphone and ipad now. Like many here, I love gadgets. From any maker. Even if it's not that useful. I'm here once in a while to read up on what's new and what's coming out next. Design attracts everyone and apple designs very well. I have my eye on a new macbook pro retina in the near future. Mostly because of how nice it looks, not for the OS. And I know ALOT of mac owners out there feel the same way. Not saying most, but ALOT. They look really nice. They are built very solid. The OS, something you have to get used to. If you know how to use a windows computer, you have all the programs you need, all the settings you like, and you can do just about anything with your eyes closed because you know it that well.

    Going back to why you spent so much working/fixing a pc, I still don't understand it. My HP and Dell laptops run without issues easily over 4 years each and still going. I install windows OS and programs properly so things run without conflict. Settings are done properly. resources are managed. I think if you don't know what you are doing and don't know how the softwares and tweaks you make conflict with other softwares, you are going to get errors. Sure, you shouldn't need to do so much attention paying just to run a computer but keep in mind a computer is not a simple thing. The software you are running is one software, made to run on many many different hardwares and softwares. You can't predict every issue.

    Mac OS is designed to run only on their hardware and no other. It's designed for people who are not really technical people. The OS is an easy to use and pre configured software. They remove many custom settings so you can't mess things up. Easy to use doesn't mean not powerful. The design of the software for a specific hardware makes the machine pretty smooth. Open up the OS and make it available to install on any computer, it is bound to have the same issues as any universal OS.

    If some of you are still arguing that PC are less reliable and fail so often, ask yourself why do most, if not all corp, agencies, retails still use PC as their main computer system? If they have so many issues and break down alot, it's not really good for business. Replacement cost and most costly of all, downtime, is a major thing. Money is not an issue for them if you think they are not buying mac cause it cost too much. Keep in mind that a similar spec and similar build quality PC cost just as much as a mac so the cost argument is out. With so so many PC out there running and managing critical operations, it says alot about their reliability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrghArgh View Post
    There are 3 main reasons:

    1. Many businesses fell into the proprietary software trap and are stuck on Windows.
    2. Many businesses use old software for which there is no Mac-compatible equivalent.
    3. Many businesses can't justify the expense of a Mac when a super cheap PC meets their needs just fine.

    Money is an issue for businesses. Most businesses don't need super duper performing computers. The majority will settle for PCs that are cheap and just powerful enough to suit their needs or that can be easily upgraded or repaired if necessary. There is no such Mac that fits that description anymore. There is far more value in a $400 Dell that you can upgrade and repair on your own than a much more expensive Mac that cannot be upgraded or repaired by the on-staff "computer guy". Thus they'll continue to buy junk $400 Dells that die the day after the warranty expires.
    4. Most large businesses don't have a "computer guy"; they have an IT Department. The local school board here has around 400 employees with IT costs which run just over $1,000,000 a year and the computers still have issues.

    What is peace of mind worth to you? I know the Mac isn't flawless but do you really think a company who's saving a few hundred dollars per machine (for 400 machines) is really saving money by dumping $1,000,000 a year to deal with cleaning out malware on a regular basis?

    Once you think big the cost of maintaining Windows PC's starts to get pretty high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UrghArgh View Post
    You misunderstand - I agree with you. What I'm saying is that many businesses find it hard to plop down a boatload of cash now to replace all of their crap PCs with Macs. Instead, they don't look at the big picture and only consider the immediate cost. I know that saving a few hundred per machine is not actually saving when you're talking the difference between a Mac and a PC. Most businesses will not buy 10 iMacs that will cost about $13,000 instead of 10 PCs that will cost about $4,000 because they're looking at saving $9,000 now and are not concerned with what they may have to spend later.
    Fair enough. I guess as more small businesses switch over from anything Windows-based the larger corporations will see the benefit and savings of not needing an entire team to maintain their computers.

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    For $1200 you can build an amazing PC. This comparison is horrible. Low end machines vs a MBP? GTFO..>>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Answer1o1 View Post
    For $1200 you can build an amazing PC. This comparison is horrible. Low end machines vs a MBP? GTFO..>>
    The MBP isnt really high end, just it's build quality is.

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