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Originally Posted by Ambi_Valence Stifles competition? Does this not force them to innovate, which increases diversity and thereby competition? I'm so sick of hearing the word "innovation". The only other...
09-08-2012, 12:55 PM #21
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09-08-2012, 01:03 PM #24
I use my Android phone in what you call "real world" situations every single day - I'll never go back to IOS in it's current state. Although I agree with you, Touchwiz is the biggest pile of **** ever made, rooting and ROMing is so simple, why wouldn't you do it? The raw AOSP experience of Android is by far and above better then anything Apple does - and that's what the majority of people don't see. Samsung has to put their own twist and turns on it, and they ruin it. That's what made the Galaxy Nexus so good - Google gave you the raw experience of AOSP, it's just too bad the device was a piece of junk - it lacked hardware. As for battery management, using an AOSP ROM you can undervolt, set governers, by far exceeding any battery life you'll find on any iOS device.
Android far from sucks, and believe me, as someone who had many Android sets that i used for a week and returned because it wasn't iOS, the only way to go is AOSP.
The simplicity of Apple is what it is. It's perfectly done. And really, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it - it's tasteful and pretty to look at. I mean, I get it. I really do, I'll never tell you the iPhone sucks, or iOS sucks, because it doesn't. But to say Android sucks, is simply ridiculous.
09-08-2012, 01:04 PM #25
09-08-2012, 01:12 PM #26
True I could have started it that way, but it isn't as argumentative that way. I was merely matching the tone of the other discussions.
09-08-2012, 01:21 PM #27
09-08-2012, 01:34 PM #28
OK you win, you can install PDA just fine, but cant use it(contractual reasons). Fail either way.
I do not care to root or JB, again I'm placing myself in the average consumers shoes. So far you keep saying that Android is far better but dont have examples?
The biggest failure of android is the same as windows. Too many devices. Apps are distorted and unscaled since they have to be adaptable to all platforms. How hard does that make it for devs to conform to?
Ergonomics is also a big thing for me. A lot of people want bigger and better, I want practical. It is an absolute pain to go from the top of my siii screen to then have to click the back button or "home" button at the bottom ( I wear an XL batting glove).
Samsungs OLED display on the SIII - supposed to be one of the best out there right? No where near on par with retina.
I can then go into hardware efficiency, and tell you how amazing the hardware is on my SIII, blah blah blah. My two year old IP4 continues to be much smoother and more responsive on half the hardware of the SIII. Sure I can root the SIII to perform better, if thats what you are thinking then you missed the whole point. If people have to root a phone to get it to the same performance, then you fail to see which OS is better. Im comparing a two year old phone to a brand new "top of the line" phone.
This is why in my tested opinion Android sucks.
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09-08-2012, 01:38 PM #29
I agree I wouldn't say android sucks, however it's not for everyone and neither is iOS.
I do stand strong in this iOS by far has better quality apps. I think most of the really talented android devs are the ones making the roms and such but felt that android apps were not that great
Last edited by subywrex; 09-08-2012 at 01:44 PM.
09-08-2012, 01:45 PM #30
Your using a stock phone, and stock to stock, I couldn't agree more. Touchwiz is a pile of ****. No doubt. But generalizing Android as a whole for Samsung's own short comings and Touchwiz twist is just dumb. There are other options, and if you wanted the best Android experience, AOSP is the way to go. That's what few people get to see, and that's my point exactly.
I run AOKP Jelly Bean on my SIII, and Android is just fine. Touchwiz which is what your seeing, is a shell of what Android really is.
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09-08-2012, 01:55 PM #31
This could be due to the fact that in a simple person with simple needs. Or that the looks of the over all UI was horrible. IOS just, for me, done it right. IMHO chomp is the most highly recommended SMS program everyone told me to use. I used it for a day and couldn't stand it. It was super ugly and felt like someone saw how nice bite SMS was and made it for android. It just felt sloppy so I Just used stock SMS app.
Getting back to a call was completely confusing to me until I understood how it worked. It just wasn't as intuitive as iOS. Another example I experienced was if I receive a call while my phone is locked when I'm done with that call my phone will lock its self (return to the state it was in) with android it would just exit out to the home screen.
And absolutely have to agree with someone statement about the size. While nice it's just to big and have to adjust hand position to be able to touch the entire screen.
One major design flaw I experienced with the s3 was the camera. 80 percent of the time I went to take a picture it was all blurry because of finger prints. On the iPhone I can directly touch the lens and no fingerprints or blurry photos
At the end of the day. Android is nice and has a lot of potential. But it's just not for me
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09-08-2012, 01:58 PM #32
No where near on par with retina, sure blacks are black, and whites are white. Take it out in the sun and its impossible to see. I do fine with my BB and my ip4. Oh my 5 year old daughter also notices the difference when she plays with my phones in the car. YES a 5 year old. If she can see the difference im not sure why you cant.
Give me a stock phone to run my two year old ip4 against and ill look around for a spare one to play with. I think Galaxy Nexus was mentioned earlier, pretty sure my room mate has one.
So besides rooting? any other VALID points you want to make? care to take a two year old android phone and compare it stock vs stock to a two year old ip4?
09-08-2012, 02:08 PM #33
You really don't read well, do you? I don't know how many times I said Touchwiz is terrible. I don't know how much more simpler I can say it. I'm agreeing with you, what else is there to understand? All I said, is if you want the best Android experience, AOSP is where you need to compare. You want to compare two year old phones? Sure, the difference is Apple is exactly the same today as it was two years ago, Android has evolved quite a bit. Two years ago, Android was garbage. The Galaxy S? Junk. Lets compare a 70's Ferrari and the Italia 458 while were at it too.
If he has a Galaxy Nexus do the update to Jelly Bean, because it's official, and it's a "stock" release, by your definition. It's far better and above any Samsung OS offering. The hardware in it, wasn't anywhere near the SIII, or the One X - and its still buttery smooth.
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09-08-2012, 02:38 PM #34
Like it or not Apple saved the touchscreen, I remember using an AT&T 8525, horrible touchscreen. So when Apple reinvented it, they made sure no one copy it. Then comes Samsung they just copied the hottest, most popular item at the time, the iPhone. So protecting what is yours, is something people learn rather young. The idea of being selfish, that's Apple.
09-08-2012, 02:45 PM #35
09-08-2012, 02:47 PM #36
My IQ dropped a bit after reading these comments. Way to go with flaming each other and going completely off topic, children.
09-08-2012, 03:30 PM #37
Amazing what business does... On one side, Samsung declaring that they "system" is sub-par, meaning is crap, compared to Apple one, so they don't get banned... On the opposite corner, Apple saying that their competitor is actually as good as they are, in order to prevent them from selling... Go figure these strategies... But good ones... :-)
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09-08-2012, 03:35 PM #39
Samsung using reverse psychology. I wonder how well this will help?
09-08-2012, 04:05 PM #40