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10-30-2011, 09:38 PM #21
Quit trying to desensitize the situation. My great grandmother was 105 when she passed and before she died she claimed to see her parents and siblings waiting for her. What I found most odd is that she never learned english, she only spoke spanish her entire life, yet her last words to me were in English as she told me she would miss me.
In case it seems odd why she would speak english, it's because I was just about the only member of the family that never learned Spanish. But I would visit her with my mother very often. And she would tell me all kinds of great tales and stories of how her husband used to ride with Pancho Villa and how life was back in the day... With my mother translating the entire time. So when she said goodbye to me in English, i knew it was special and it was meant for me.
That was a beautiful eulogy for steve.
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10-30-2011, 10:34 PM #22
There's a lot of scientific evidence to suggest that certain experiences (such as the tunnel of bright light) are extremely common, if not universal, in those close enough to death. The changes in brain chemistry are reported to actually make the final stages of death a pleasant experience (without any opiates in one's system). Whether there's really anything beyond the bright, warm light is a separate question. But at least the family can take some comfort from Steve's relatively peaceful passing. Palliative care for terminal cancer patients isn't always that effective.
10-30-2011, 10:40 PM #23
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10-31-2011, 03:07 AM #24
When my mother passed... Recently.. She did see things too.. Her voice was gone.. Like a child who couldn't speak.. Just garbled trying to communicate... The afternoon, besides she passed, that evening, my nephew and I walked in there to say goodbye.
She grabbed his arm.
Said." I love you sweety" in her regular voice. Looked at me and said
" I need to go get my 2 angel wings"
There is something beyond. My mom was never religious or spiritual, never attended church etc.
With my experience, I am sure steve seen something, in front of him... His amazing family, life, his effect on the world, and where he was going.
10-31-2011, 05:33 AM #25
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10-31-2011, 02:39 PM #31
You probably saw nothing because you have no soul.
10-31-2011, 02:49 PM #32
11-01-2011, 02:40 AM #33
The only thing that troubles me about these comments is the nurses insensitive, and somewhat typical, attitude towards the emotions that one feels during the death of a loved one - I'm glad his sister mentioned they kept only 3/67 nurses because it supports my opinion. the attitude is meant to extinguish any emotion felt by the persons final words and belittle the experience into something that means nothing. I hope rkswat one day opens thier mind and heart to others emotions and feelings and forget about showing us your credentials as a nurse. what you said was unnecessary, and to be honest, disrespectful to anyone who has ever been touched by a loved ones final words. The "truth" doesn't need to be explained by you. what one takes home from the experience is their truth, and their truth only. It's not your place to try to take that away from them.
Its nurses that present this attitude that makes me lose my trust in the healthcare system. patients shouldn't just be a number and doctors, nurses, and administrators all need to try to be the best healthcare professional out there, both skillfully and emotionally. after all we are trusting you with our loved ones.
11-01-2011, 02:28 PM #34
Imagine looking at your loved ones -- the sister you found, the wife you loved, the children you helped to bring in to this world -- and recalling your life with them (OH WOW), that you will no longer be a part of that (OH WOW), and that you've left something of yourself that will outlive you (OH WOW).
I don't think it has to specifically be drugs, visions of dead loved ones, visions of heaven or dimethyltryptamine.
Perhaps it was some of those, all of those or none of those.Leaving everything behind when you feel like you have so many more things to do can be very 'OH WOW.'
For Steve Jobs, 'OH WOW' seems to me to be very fitting words.
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11-12-2011, 12:22 AM #35