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09-07-2011, 11:06 AM #1
Union Boss Blasts 'Unpatriotic' Apple, Says President Obama Should 'Attack' It
International Brotherhood of Teamsters Union President Jim Hoffa has some tough words for both Apple and US President Barack Obama. According to Hoffa, Apple is "unpatriotic" for investing more of its vast reserves of cash into China than in the US. Hoffa adds that President Obama should do something about it. No specific instructions, however, were given by Hoffa other than to say Obama should "attack" companies that behave the way Apple does.
In the controversial interview with CNN, Hoffa told host Candy Crowley that he's well aware of the reality that it's more cost-effective to set up factories and hire workers overseas. "We know that," he said, while noting that companies still "have an obligation to America to build in America."
"I think the president should challenge the patriotism of these American corporations that are sitting on the sidelines saying, why do we have high unemployment but I am not going to hire anybody?" Hoffa says. "You know, they have an obligation just like the federal government, just like Obama. We have all got to get into the game. And I don't see that happening. So the trillions and billions of dollars that they have on the sidelines, they have money, Pfizer and General Electric, they have trillions of dollars overseas, let's start repatriating that money. Let's start a program to get America going again."
Taking his argument to another level, Hoffa blatantly called Apple "unpatriotic" for a number of reasons, but chief among them the tech giant's construction of a factory in Mexico. "You can do it here," Hoffa said, "But the answer is, you have to have the incentive. And so many companies like Mr. Coffee and all of these other companies that have closed and moved to Mexico, they are wrong. They are unpatriotic."
09-07-2011, 11:36 AM #2
While I do agree with wanting APPLE to have it's entire production base here in the USA. I don't think Hoffa knows what he is talking about when it comes to business. If the motor company would stop and look at how they run business and the teamsters would get their nose out of politics then perhaps they could concentrate on how to create "useful" jobs. They should keep their hand in their own cookie jar!
Lastly the fool should look at the production of where his base gets it's products more than 50% overseas! What a looser/hipocrite. I'll leave the "drug use" and other issues they have out of this rant...
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09-07-2011, 11:37 AM #3
Well darn....maybe if Union workers didn't demand to be paid 10x more than what they should be paid to drill in a screw or push a button on an assembly line then Apple would consider operations in America. But with the cheap labor China offers it's hard to compete against that.
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09-07-2011, 11:42 AM #4
And why would a successful competative company want to do that?!?! America is great at producing, especially when it comes to building weapons of defense. We are the best in that catagory! Last time I checked, America was not a communist country that can force a company to build in America. This guy needs a reality check.
09-07-2011, 11:43 AM #5
Exactly, and well put! We or they did it to themselves and are now complaining from the result of what has transpired over years of union crap. Don't get me wrong unions are good for some but not all.
Agree. I love my country but it's not like apl is making iPhones that power military rockets. A business is there for profit nothing else!
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09-07-2011, 11:50 AM #6
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09-07-2011, 11:54 AM #7
09-07-2011, 11:58 AM #8
If companies always focus first and foremost on US, then they run risk (higher costs, etc) of going out of business. How much help to the country will those companies be when they are banckrupt &/or out of business?
Why do "you" use words like "obligation"? Haffa, unions have their place but as a representative of your union, to speak about how companies have obligations in the capacity you reference weakens your voice and that of unions.
Again, would you rather these companies just go out of business? If we are talking about the US government or government agencies setting up shop overseas, fine, but you are way off base and speaking, quite frankly, stupidly.
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09-07-2011, 12:03 PM #9
We need to get some of this manufacturing back in the US. Read about Foxconn beginning to deploy more robots in the manufacturing process getting rid of workers. The US can build robots and factories as well. I for one would pay more for a US made phone, maybe not hundreds of dollars more but a premium for sure. The president needs to make it easier to build these factories in the US and get the jobs here, even if it's just building robots which by the way Foxconn is already using many US built robots.
09-07-2011, 12:03 PM #10
09-07-2011, 12:14 PM #11
If anything it should be cheaper since it is made in your own country. But that wouldn't make sense would it. Neither does 80% of Canadian Alberta Oil being sent straight to the USA. Doesn't make sense.. but it still. (dont quote 80% rough estimate.)
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09-07-2011, 12:16 PM #12
This guy gives unions a bad image. When's the last time you read Apple laying-off employees? I haven't. Could you imagine how much iDevices would cost the consumers if it was all made and manufactured state-side? Apple would never be able to meet the demands. It sucks but that's how the cookie crumbles.
09-07-2011, 12:21 PM #13
Y would any company want to build a factory here in the US?? First off. Americans are lazy... Second, its going to be more expensive.
If Apple wanted to build a factory here where all these rules and regulations are then they would barely make a profit. Think about it. You have to waste your material this way. You have to pay employee benefits of at least this amount and you have to give them all healthcare.. On top of that. Because we are all lazy, then Apple would have to employ more people just to get the same production that they could get from a work force with less people. I also believe the quality of the product will also go down because also, Americans as a hole take the shortcuts. It just wouldn't work.. I agree that Apple should do something. But didn't they get their cameras that they used in the iPhone 4 from an American company?? Not to mention all the thousands of employees they have hired at the headquarters and at Apple Stores all across America.. But i guess thats just not good enough...
Now that I think about it.. America isn't even a tech country. Name another worldwide tech company (not microsoft) that does everything here.. Samsung? Sony? Nintendo? LG?.. We can't even get internet to every home in America. and your asking them to start building all their complicated and high quality products here in America??
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09-07-2011, 12:48 PM #14
The situation is the same here in the UK, even London taxi cabs are now made in china.
09-07-2011, 01:02 PM #15
If America didn't regulate the companies away from the U.S. & we traded goods fairly both ways we wouldn't be the sinking ship that America has become. We are driving the companies away then we cry about it. America has some tough times ahead of it, really tough times.
09-07-2011, 01:06 PM #16
Apple has 75,000 employees world wide and most of them are in the US and SKILLED labor. Sorry unions but you are not needed with Apple and the way you suck life out of companies, maybe you can destroy a few more industries like you did with the auto workers.
09-07-2011, 01:44 PM #17
So why doesn't he attack Walmart? Fisher-Price? Dell? Fender Guitars?
09-07-2011, 02:38 PM #18
That being said I believe it is un-American to dump millions/billions into foreign countries economies. I believe there should be a hefty import tax on any item coming into this county "made" by an American company. Sure we would pay more for our little idevices but that's something I'd be willing to do. Now I'll sit back and watch all the other posters rail against organized labor and how evil it is..... of course the the middle class is disappearing and the wage discrepansy between working stiffs and CEO's is larger than it has ever been but no biggie, we don't need any one on the side of the workers.
09-07-2011, 02:41 PM #19
09-07-2011, 04:48 PM #20
First off, Foxconn pays substandard wages, has dangerous working conditions, and is incredibly environmentally irresponsible.
Second, Not all companies deal with unions and not all union workers get paid undeserved wages.
Third, Yes business is meant o make money but How much money is too much...There is a point when a company is cutting too many corners and being too greedy...Profit is whats left after expenses are paid that includes salaries, research costs, marketing, etc...its the gravy left over...now does a company like Apple really need to have BILLIONS of profit left over every year or could they maybe cut that down a bit and bring jobs back to the US...So a few insane Apple nuts can wait a few extra months for the brand new iPhone to replace their not so old iPhone...
It is definitely unpatriotic to be more concerned about making that extra 20 Billion Dollars in profit every year then creating jobs here in the US...
Companies have been doing well financially in the US for longer then Apple has been around ...and all without off-shoring their entire operation...