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09-07-2011, 04:47 PM #21
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09-07-2011, 05:10 PM #22
More and more companies move out of our country to other DEVELOPED countries every day. They ship out not because of our wages, they ship out because of our tax rate. Countries like Ireland have a 12.5% corporate tax rate. Until our tax code system is fixed out sourcing will continue.
09-07-2011, 05:31 PM #23
Business is business.
09-07-2011, 06:07 PM #24
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09-07-2011, 08:07 PM #25
While I generally agree with Jimmy Hoffa (junior and senior-- may he rest in peace(s)) and his vision of the future of American labor, I disagree with his suggestion that the US ought to go after Apple.
Our president enough unpopular and enervating wars on his plate already, and that's just cleaning up the few dozen conflicts left over from past administrations. If Jimmy Hoffa really wants to make a difference, he should take on Apple himself. That he won't or can't is a symptom of the greater malaise infecting and destroying our (and other) economies and the workers which populate them.
Still, I'd like to like the guy. I'd like him more if he offered more constructive criticism (inviting Apple employees, and iPhone users to rise up and destroy their masters, maybe???)
09-07-2011, 10:14 PM #26
09-08-2011, 08:13 AM #27
Things out here are complicated boi's. And cannot be summed up in catchphrases gleaned from pop culture romance novels.
And +1 to the idea that apple is unpatriotic. The president has praised a company as the amercan dream when in reality they came up with a good idea and said "now let's go pay the Chinese to do it for us."
That may be American but it's not the amercan dream.
09-08-2011, 04:02 PM #28
Problem is, its cheaper to do it in china. People in the US don't adjust prices very well to a dropping economy...And still try making 3x profit for parts. it would make the Ipod touch cost probably like 350 if they were made here.
09-08-2011, 06:44 PM #29
In any event, you're right that we're in extremely complex socioeconomic times such that my comment may've seemed like a gross oversimplification. However, I stand behind the intent of my comment, as I believe Rand's ideologies compliment the absurdity of the story quite well.
Our president has been quite vocal about his belief in American innovation and its importance as a means to motor us ahead. Indeed, the policies of our government have placed a shifting emphasis on skilled labor for decades. All the while, we've sacrificed a tremendous amount of industry to foreign lands. In my opinion, that has been a gamble that's yet to pay off.
I am an American by birth and believe in what our society stands for. I want nothing save for our nation's prosperity, but am riddled with concern regarding the road ahead. Perhaps it has something to do with the tabloidesque nature of politics today, or perhaps I'm just not drinking the right brand of Kool-Aid.
09-08-2011, 06:46 PM #30
09-08-2011, 08:58 PM #31
This is the same argument as 'corporations aren't expanding because taxes are too high': corporations expand based on demand.
The 'good ol days' that everyone yearns for (50s-60s) had a huge percentage of the workforce unionized; single earner incomes could buy a home, fill it with 'modern conveniences', and send the kids to college; the income gap between the working class and the executive class was substantially smaller; education was cheaper; about 5% of our GDP was exports (so don't go to the 'rest of the world was decimated post WWII' argument); import tariffs made it difficult for foreign corps to bombard us with cheap goods (and drive our labor down) and provided less incentive to off-shore jobs. This is a just a sampling of why things seem to have been better then -- economically they were: people weren't getting incredibly wealthy very fast as the income was being distributed around to the people doing the work in a fairly equitable fashion.
Now, having said that, it should be noted that... yes: corporations are not patriotic. They aren't capable of it. They exist to make a profit -- that's it. They aren't 'good' or 'bad' they just 'are' -- they exist. And, having said that, I would also like to say that I think it's asinine for corporations to be treated like people in any way, shape or form. They are not people. They do not have rights. They are permitted to exist as an artificial entity solely at the whim of The People. They don't get 'free speech.' And if the SCotUS is going to give that right and say they are like people, then they should be treated ENTIRELY like people: they can't vote until 18; if they cause injury to someone, they go to jail; if they bribe someone, they go to jail; if a Texas-based corporation kills someone, they get the death penalty; they should be taxed like people; they should not be allowed to 'marry' numerous other corporations and create monopolies (polygamy). I could go on.. it is fun...
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09-10-2011, 08:17 PM #32
This is what you get. This ***** Hole was telling obama to do something about the tea party people because they have a difference of opinion than him. If they don't think like jimmy hoffa jr, 'take the SOB's out'. You didn't care. If you don't stand up to a thug when someone else is threatened, that thug will soon enough, come after you.