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03-18-2011, 03:11 PM #201
I feel sorry for Him. What a blatant rip on Privacy. Sony has this judge in there pocket. I cant believe some of these ruling. It must some OLD hag or crabby as old man, who hates technology, definately a republican judge!
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03-18-2011, 03:15 PM #202
It doesn't need to be illegal to have you arrested on "conspiracy to commit mass murder."
Your bomb and rape references are amongst the worst examples for arguments I have ever seen. You're comparing rape to hacking a PS3? I think I speak for rape victims everywhere when I say you're an idiot.
Nice backpedaling with the "what ifs" comment. It's nice to see you can't come up with any response so you choose some lame copout instead.
The entire case hinges on the fact that those keys were extremely important to protecting the integrity and security of the system and the ability of people to play games fairly and not run pirated software. Once they were given out and the system was jailbroken I can guarantee you massive amounts of piracy would have occurred.
This is exactly what Sony was trying to stop before it was too late by making an example out of geohot.
The jailbreaking part is vital to the evidence in this case because the jailbreaking IS the hacking that Sony is accusing geohot of doing. Defeating their security protocols and giving out the necessary information for others to do the same.
Unlike with the iPhone, which I think is why you are confused, the PS3 requires these keys to be jailbroken. No keys? No jailbreak. No piracy.
iPhone: no keys(not to be confused with SHSH blobs) doesn't matter, still can jailbreak.
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03-18-2011, 04:13 PM #203
Krosis already pointed out the answer regarding the "what ifs" topic.
And no, the PS3 DOES NOT REQUIRE THESE KEYS TO BE JAILBROKEN. If so, could you please explain to me how earlier versions of the OS were jailbroken prior to GeoHot distributing the root keys?
03-18-2011, 05:01 PM #204
This is no different than running freeboot on the xbox 360.
You should really read as much information on this as you can as you'll soon find out this isn't as much about piracy as you think and it certainly isn't about copyright on those keys. It is because he circumvented the security protocols on the system and ran unsigned code on it. Plain and simple. If he wouldn't have bragged about it or posted the keys then Sony wouldn't have known.
I don't think is matters what Sony thinks about those keys because: they belong to the licensee(end user) when they purchase their system since those keys are stored on the individual system, and anyone who spent time hacking it like geohot did and had the skills would eventually uncover them anyway.
What irked them appears to be that he bragged about it so they are trying to make him an example.
As of right now it doesn't appear that Sony has any way of knowing if your system is rooted unless you're actually running unsigned code while online that would trip some kind of alerts.
03-18-2011, 05:09 PM #205
It sucks that George is getting caught in the cross-fire, but it's not as if he's innocent in this whole thing. Just like any other individual or company who develops an exploit or software to avoid security and aid in the use of others breaking the law, he's not exempt.
The key issue is PIRACY, not unlocking your system to install Linux.
03-18-2011, 05:23 PM #206
03-18-2011, 05:35 PM #207
For those thinking Boycotting Sony will do any good, as it has been stated many times, they won't feel it. If you want a good place to start though, Boycott Playstation/PSP/bluray/games/etc and get the rest of the gaming community in on it. Kill their gaming platforms and they WILL feel it. PS3 already had trouble selling, so it wouldn't be a huge undertaking. If they want their game to stay locked, so be it,, in a cardboard box on a shelf!!
03-18-2011, 05:35 PM #208
Exploit: "An exploit (from the same word in the French language, meaning "achievement", or "accomplishment") is a piece of software, a chunk of data, or sequence of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behavior to occur on computer software, hardware, or something electronic (usually computerised). This frequently includes such things as gaining control of a computer system or allowing privilege escalation or a denial of service attack."
Plus, Sony could have just issued a patch that would prevent the running of this code or changed the keys and required users to update. They chose the road less traveled(less traveled for a reason).
Lastly, this won't stop people from pirating games nor did it start the piracy movement of PS3 games. PS3 games were being pirated en masse before this was released.
PS2 games have been pirated since day 1 when people realized you could use the latch card and boot disc to get the system to boot up and then run pirated games, PAL discs, etc. on it.
PS2, PS3, Xbox 360, etc. in the end are all just computers just like iPhones, Droids, BlackBerry smartphones, etc. and are all able to be hacked depending on the desire of the person doing the hacking.
We have been running unsigned code on our PCs, Macs, iPhones, etc. since long before this came into the news but it never made headlines if there was a huge lawsuit over it because manufacturers know that it's all part of doing business and they issue a patch which temporarily disables or an update which renders ineffective until the next version gets hacked.
It has been, and always will be, a game of cat and mouse.
03-18-2011, 07:42 PM #209
03-18-2011, 10:47 PM #210
03-19-2011, 12:34 AM #211
Only those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. -- M.C. Escher
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge. -- D.J. Boorstin
03-19-2011, 01:04 AM #212
if i pay for it, its mine.
sony should have just kept their mouth shut like all the other major companys.
geohot hacks the iphone, does apple be a little b*t*h and sue him ??
03-19-2011, 01:54 AM #213
I think Geohot did a great job explaining why he was being sued on AoTS, and the answer still stands to the ridiculous demands by Sony for his IP address and Paypal records... Why? He's "Making Sony mad."Creator of Modern Blue
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03-19-2011, 11:53 AM #214
Good luck bro!! I sold my ps3 because of this s@&t. Great mug shot by the way!!!!
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03-20-2011, 03:07 AM #217
I too will never purchase a sony product again. And if i have any say in the matter, neither will anyone i know.
Does anyone know what the extent of the consequences/damages Geohot is facing? What does sony want from him?
03-20-2011, 06:21 AM #218
All they want to do is make an example of him and out out that i u hack ull be sued and they arnt affroid of ruining their business.
03-20-2011, 10:07 PM #219
(Sony=giant whiny b1tch)
03-20-2011, 10:09 PM #220
Ahhhhh so much arguing on this topic!!!