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Originally Posted by brianiino I totally agree that flash should be banned from apple. Yeah it sucks not to see it on the website your on but seriously, apple knows...
02-19-2010, 12:31 PM #21
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02-19-2010, 12:55 PM #22
wait. If flash does not run well on mac and leopard devices when it runs pretty fine on every other system (lol) then wouldnt this mean APPLE is at fault and THEY should improve THEIR products so they can run flash more effectively? I think so. It almost seems like instead of tackling the issue, they just make up excuses to not do anything about it. If flash runs well on other systems and just doesnt work well with macs, then its quite obvious that APPLE is at fault. But apple instead wants either adobe or some other company to create software that works good with macs when adobe already created software that works good with everything else? Flash is such a big part of the internet today and not using it creates a liability for macs. god i hate apple
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02-19-2010, 01:19 PM #23Flash sucks
02-19-2010, 01:51 PM #24
Watch the profanity - ajl917
Last edited by ajl917; 02-22-2010 at 02:20 PM.
02-19-2010, 02:29 PM #25
Can't handle the truth? Why so agro dude? Haven't you jerked off to antiques roadshow today?
I'm sorry, I did mean to hurt your fragile feelings, mommy will give you a tissue.
Oh, BTW, you asked me for proof of my argument, then what flaw in my comment, and geez, you know what moot is? I'm impressed.
ActionScript code protection
Often, Flash developers will decide that while they desire the advantages that Flash affords them in the areas of animation and interactivity, they do not wish to expose their code to the world. However, as with all intermediate language compiled code, once a .swf file is saved locally, it can be decompiled into its source code and assets. Some decompilers are capable of nearly full reconstruction of the original source file, down to the actual code that was used during creation (although results vary on a case-by-case basis).
In opposition to the decompilers, ActionScript obfuscators have been introduced to solve this problem. Higher-quality obfuscators implement lexical transformations — such as identifier renaming, control flow transformation, and data abstraction transformation — that make it harder for decompilers to generate output likely to be useful to a human. Lower-quality obfuscators insert traps for decompilers.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash]Adobe Flash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
I assume you can read this?
Open web versus proprietary plugins
The proprietary nature of Flash is a concern to advocates of open standards and free software. Its widespread use has, according to some such observers, harmed the otherwise open nature of the World Wide Web. A response may be seen in Adobe's Open Screen Project.
Representing open standards, inventor of CSS and co-author of HTML5, Håkon Wium Lie explained in a Google tech talk the proposal of Theora as the video codec for HTML 5 (see also the Ogg controversy):
I believe very strongly, that we need to agree on some kind of baseline video format if [the video element] is going to succeed. Flash is today the baseline format on the web. The problem with Flash is that it's not an open standard.
Representing the free software movement, Richard Stallman stated in a speech in October 2004 that:
The use of Flash in websites is a major problem for our community.
Stallman's argument then was that no free players were comparatively good enough. As of February 2010, Gnash and Swfdec have seen very limited success in competing with Adobe's player. Many important and popular websites require users to have a Flash player, sometimes with no fallback for non-Flash web users (e.g. YouTube). Therefore, the lack of a good free Flash player is arguably an obstacle to enjoying the web with free software, and the aforementioned ubiquity of Flash makes the problem very evident for anyone who tries. The continual high ranking of Gnash on the Free Software Foundation's list of high priority projects might indicate the severity of the problem, as judged by the free software community.
"A potential vulnerability has been identified in Adobe Flash Player 10.0.12.36 and earlier that could allow an attacker who successfully exploits this potential vulnerability to take control of the affected system. A malicious SWF must be loaded in Flash Player by the user for an attacker to exploit this potential vulnerability. Additional vulnerabilities have been addressed in this update. Adobe recommends users update to the most current version of Flash Player available for their platform."
From adobes web page. So we should trust them??????????????
Adobe Flash patch out of band - Patch Thursday? | Chester Wisniewski's Blog
I rest my case!!!!!!!!
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02-19-2010, 02:33 PM #26
Loves how we have to give up flash cause it's slow on mac, but must keep iTunes which is more of a CPU hog for me than CS4 or DiRT2.
02-19-2010, 02:49 PM #27
Ape is a piece of **** , I always sad this and will stand for it, good design and ideas but to stupid to keep the lead, iPhone was jailbroken and u had mobilecinrma plugin which allowed 60% content to work, imagin flash by adobe, I think Steve knows that if there is a security problem after installing it they don't have the money man power to run protect there own pc, I'm just laughing and there losing my respect , ipad ,,,,, ishit on it =)
02-19-2010, 02:50 PM #28
So a vulnerability in Flash identified 18, that's 18 months ago, that still has not been patched. Time to move forward. It proves why we should have an open standard in web embedded content, not this monopoly that risks our devices. To those who love their flash porn or games, I hope you enjoy the bugs!
02-19-2010, 02:54 PM #29
flash being a security issue is flawed, just on the basis that if somebody wants to hack some software they will.
flash being slow on the mac so lets ditch it, is just Apple trying to control the world
02-19-2010, 02:59 PM #30
ooooooohhhhhhh. Look at the big bad keyboard warrior talkin smack. Maybe if you popped appes nuts out ur mouth for a second you might find time to see that what rota says makes perfect sence. Every OS, pc or mobile can run flash just fine. But apple can't so that makes It adobes fault? Try again champ.
02-19-2010, 03:11 PM #31
So CHAMP. If iTunes run so badly on your pc, is that's microsofts problem? FAIL. Try again, CHAMP!! Your argument is dumb. Flash is different for every device, and their plugin for OSX is rubbish, but what would you know about flash on OSX? NADA, CHAMP!
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02-19-2010, 04:15 PM #32
Honestly, you can't talk about the evils of adobes proprietary grasp while defending apple. THINK ABOUT IT TROLL....
I hope apple does ditch flash just so mac users have to buy a PC to properly view their favorite websites lol
GRRR ARRR "you made fun of my choices and it offended me so i'm gonna flame now!!!" GRRR RAAWWRRR
02-19-2010, 04:43 PM #33
Because you idiots don't like the argument, you shout, troll, fanboy. Why would I expect to get common sense from anyone who's only ever used one os platform. Why don't you read the links I sent you rota? No response? You hate because you know nothing else. I pity you all.
02-19-2010, 04:56 PM #34
If Flash content runs well on the varying hardware and OS combinations for a PC, why hasn't Apple managed to optimize OSX to do the same? Considering the vastly smaller pool of hardware combinations, it seems lazy to not work to give the end user a higher quality experience with the 80%+ websites on the internet.
All of this just sounds like Jobs has an axe to grind with someone at Adobe.
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02-19-2010, 05:01 PM #35
Transpose the words 'adobe flash' with 'apple itunes' in this article. You pc bigots would be howling for jobs head on a platter. From memory, this is an article about the bad performance of flash on macs. So what do all you pc bigots know anything about this? I thought so. Any pc users response to this article is nothing more than a TROLL! God I'm glad I switched and didn't become such opinionated Filters are there for a reason - ajl917 like you idiots.
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02-19-2010, 05:08 PM #36
This is JUST A SIDE NOTE, nothing about pro/con Flash or iPhone or anything.
Without a doubt, Adobe products in general, are *very* proprietary and are extremely slow, no matter how good they are and how many people rely on and work with them everyday. Take Photoshop for example - 99% (or whatever number) of graphic designers swear by it. Or Illustrator. Or Acrobat Professional. If you ever used these casually, you'll know what I mean when I say SLOW. From startup to shutdown, everything takes forever.
If you didn't use any of the above, you sure have Acrobat Reader and some PDFs on your computer. Now please do explain why for the life of me, is it so hard on a multicore/multigigahertz CPU to have a smooth scroll, a no-lag page rendering, a less than several second startup and an even slightly standard control set for this ubiquituous document format we're forced to deal with so often?
02-19-2010, 05:39 PM #37
Why call people names if you cant win an argument? ie. "bigots, idiots,
That never wins arguments. Even though they are right.
That is why my MacPro is now a, yes, VISTA 64 bit ULTIMATE.
With no problems what so ever since I move to Microsoft.
I don't have any problems with my Vista partition but on leopard, I get so annoyed I always go back to Vista.
All We "PC Bigots" are saying give us choices if we want it installed or not.
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02-19-2010, 06:07 PM #38
@kroo- what does iTunes have to do with this debate. I never complained about iTunes.
I wonder if ur half as badass in real life as you make itself sound on the Internet. I'd love to find out personally.
02-19-2010, 06:46 PM #39
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02-19-2010, 07:14 PM #40
Omg, this is going to turn into a PC vs Mac fight before we know it
Calm down everyone, before mods close this thread