[Zehlek]

The Palm Pe is also CDMA correct?

[brianturney]

Originally Posted by CZroe

There's a reason why keyboards and even plastic Guitar Hero controllers have bumps on certain keys... muscle memory is not a replacement.

That said, you sound just like the fictional fanboys that fully embraced the fictional "Mac Book Wheel" as "the next generation" as if it had no usability flaws what-so-ever and should fully supplant the traditional tactile keyboard. I have a question for you: Why not support small, easily-portable, and completely-optional Bluetooth keyboards like every other SmartPhone?

haha. indeed. sorry no on the macbook wheel. haha. though, some day, you will see something, sometime, somewhere, replace the keyboard before you die. CRT's, vacuum tubes, floppy disks, cassette tapes, keyboards.. not a matter of if, its a matter of when. for iphones i'm glad its happening now. I don't want to carry around a phone that is a brick twice as thick just for a touchy feely jelly button keyboard. the other advantage to onscreen keyboard for many people is multi-language. makes more sense from a production perspective. you can easily change the layout and characters. Remember, back when iphone first came out, most of the smartphones/blackberrys were still using T9 type text input from the keyboards(tap=A, tap tap=B, tap tap tap=C, shift+tap tap tap=C caps). We had those for what, nearly a decade before qwerty came along on the mainstream phones? They may have well just used morse code. (i'm talking mainstream phones, I'm sure there was probably some dvice out there that was the exception) So shortly after iphone, most of then scrambled and came out with more mainstream devices that had QWERTY, then eventually touchscreens. I probably wouldnt be so against slide out keyboards if they could actually make them super thin and strong rather than flimsy plastic making the device twice as thick like the Pre. I support bluetooth keyboards for the phones if made seperate from the device if people need to use them to type. I dont want that kind of crutch forced on me though. I dont need it. optional? Perfect! then those who need one can use one, those who dont can leave it behind. My input on the screen is as accurate and fast, or faster than a keyboard. knowing this is possible when people take the time to learn to type in this way, for me I prefer taking the time to learn how to type fast on it rather than carrying around optional hardware. it really comes down to just re-learning how to type. its the difference between feeling a click or hearing a click. Either way you're looking down at the keyboard when you type to find the letters you want. Do that, and you will never 'need' those optional devices again. for me its about keeping it streamlined and simple and being freed from the keyboard. 1 device, fast input. no extras to lug around. what I will be a fan about is when they release the mac tablet. multi touch keyboard on screen in a tablet form factor full powered computer. sweet.

[A.T]

What is with there MASSIVE posts, I actually can't be arsed reading them. Why can't they just come with their own software instead of using Apples.

Pre is going to fail miserably, iPhone 3rd gen is going to mureder it!!

[doan_1]

Personally, I think what the big deal is this. Historically Palm was the ONLY OS that supported virtually every Computer OS. They are STILL the only ones that come with the CD including both Mac and PC software (Yes iTunes is compatible with both with download). They do not make full computers or OS for said full sized machines, and until iPhone Apple often recommended Palm to clients. Does it not make sense that Apple and Palm keep this relationship? 1) Apple can still sell iTunes music to CDMA users (currently not an option for one-device seekers) and people who prefer the new web os! 2) They don't HAVE to build a second device like everyone else is. Face it, everyone is different and no amount of ranting about keyboard this. Or bluetooth that. Is going to change that. I have a 3G, a storm and a BB 8220. I was playing with the new androids yesterday. I give HTC kudos about their Rogers Android launch. They built 2 devices. One with key board one without. Was that so hard? That choice alone gives them a slight edge.

Final note. I may be new here, but been on forums since 2002. it will always amaze me how people will rant on about some thing that has nothing to do with the subject. We're talking about iTunes compatability, not compairing it to iPhone. Or arguing keyboard/no keyboard. There are thousands of threads out there for that.

Is pre an iPhone killer? My question is does it need to be? It's different, hoorah for innovation! Without innovation the iPhone would not exist either.

[sziklassy]

Originally Posted by brianturney

haha. indeed. sorry no on the macbook wheel. haha. though, some day, you will see something, sometime, somewhere, replace the keyboard before you die. CRT's, vacuum tubes, floppy disks, cassette tapes, keyboards..

IMO you can't really make that comparison. All of those things either significantly improve storage, video quality or save a TON of space. There is no way you can argue a slide-out keyboard is to a touch screen keyboard what a CRT is to an LCD or LED screen. The size difference doesn't compare. Just because keyboards are older technology doesn't automatically make them worse than a touch screen. So you like your touch screens. Good for you. Why don;t you just drop this silly back and forth?

[discostar]

Originally Posted by sziklassy

The OP all too hastily assumes (if this is true) that Apple is not aware of this, and if they are, that Apple wouldn't allow it. Is it at all possible that Palm came to Apple and got permission for this? Surely a company like Palm isn't foolish enough to take such actions without consent are they?

Unless they want the press. I mean, Apple would make a stink and that would only cause more press about them and their device and how it syncs with iTunes.

Frankly, though, I hope they got permission, because with the DRM-less music, maybe Apple is hoping for a boost in download sales...?

[02589]

Focusing on the facts, Apple started this thing 2 years ago. They deserve and have received tons of credit for this innovation. Your childish attitudes should be aimed to the fact that Apple set the bar for the future. The Pre will come out of the box much like the iPhone did. New, innovative, and very plain Jane.

Even if the Pre came out exactly even with the iPhone in features, 3.0 will raise the bar. As the Pre catches on, it will mature much as the iPhone, but in different ways.

Remember that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Hard core iPhoners should be proud that others are attempting to go in that direction.

I've had an iPhone since day 1. I played with the Pre at CES and have been following it's development. The touch gesture screen is about the only thing that the two phones have in common...and even the screens are very, very different. There are so many phone feature possibilities that no phone will have everything. A company just needs to pick it's priorities and run with it. And to pick out a feature and use it to dis another phone is just lame.

[discostar]

Originally Posted by 02589

Remember that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Hard core iPhoners should be proud that others are attempting to go in that direction.

But the media looks at everything touch as an attempted affront to the iPhone. While consumers actually look at them as iPhone knock-offs.

Just like the iPod. Every other MP3 player is seen as an alternative to the iPod.

[nick.ftw]

I have had a PRE since yesterday.


My roommate works for sprint and service manager etc they gave him one for free to play with. The phone isnt bad at all. It has a really cheap feel too it once you slide it out for keyboard. Feels like it would break easily. The touch isnt as good as the iphone but isnt bad at all. The browsing is nice but the screen isnt as big as the iphone and the detail isnt as great. Has some nice options. Its pretty light. I would rather have the iphone tho...

[saifeeab]

what is the big deal if a phone syncs with iTunes. Really i wouldnt care less if a phone DOES NOT sync with iTunes. I use iTunes, many a times, purely out of necessity because iPhone/iPod ONLY syncs with it. I would actually love to try an alternative which gives me more flexibility. Personally, I dont think Pre should be flaunting this capability as a real great advantage.

[doan_1]

Originally Posted by nick.ftw

I have had a PRE since yesterday.


My roommate works for sprint and service manager etc they gave him one for free to play with. The phone isnt bad at all. It has a really cheap feel too it once you slide it out for keyboard. Feels like it would break easily. The touch isnt as good as the iphone but isnt bad at all. The browsing is nice but the screen isnt as big as the iphone and the detail isnt as great. Has some nice options. Its pretty light. I would rather have the iphone tho...

Great, and I like my iPhone too! But I need push-everything. That unfortunately means I will continue with blackberry as my primary on the side of iPhone. Music, video and games iPhone is the Cod of them all! But I am interested in the multi-network integration for messaging and socializing of the WebOS. That really appeals to me. I have ICQ, GTalk, MSN, BB messenger, Facebook, email, & SMS/. And instead of different apps being opened and closed all the time, have all those service integrate? Wow, that is really cool! And anyone who can't see that appealing to at least some people is just beligerant.

And I do have my storm because in my home town CDMA rules. So if I can sync my iPhone and Pre to the same source? That would make my life much easier! And would not have to rely on Google sync and hope that contacts dont get duplicated or mismatched.

[dadee]

Wow there are some un-educated ignorant ppl on this forum! First off, I have a long-time iPhone user and love it and cant live without it. BUT with that said ... I am in no way going to bash a phone that is just as good if not better in the Pre. First off, it still has some features that the iPhone lacks. But on the same note, the Pre lacks features the iPhone has too. So, thats a wash depending on the users preferences one might prefer one over the other. Second, ATT is NOT the best service provider on the planet. Ppl may end up choosing the pre just for the sake of paying less. I have four lines on my account and pay about $175/mo. for 1500 min and unlimited txting and I only have the iPhone (data plan). With sprint, i could technically have four Palm pre's with unlimited family data/txting and 1500min/mo. for the same price ... THATS A BIG SELLING POINT!!!! ... $30/mo for an iPhone plan is a RIP OFF and no one can argue it ... we all just love the iPhone so much that we dont care!

[LeeDude]

Originally Posted by AutumnBoard

Come on guys, stop saying how terrible the Pre is. It's not even out yet! You haven't come within a mile of on, let alone used one. Maybe it's good, maybe it's not. We'll have to wait and see.
As for the syncing with iTunes, that's actually pretty awesome. Who cares if Apple doesn't like it? Tough **** for them. It'll be another way to give the iPhone some competition. Competition is good for the consumer. I, for one, look forward to seeing how the Pre turns out.

Argument goes both ways I think. If you want people to stop dissing the pre, then tell pre people to stop putting down the iPhone. It's not out yet, so who knows/cares. This much hype is bad, especially when you're challenging a company like apple, with 2 years reigning supreme in this category. Just wait, and see. Also, I don't see apple supporting the pre. I don't think they'll get enough sales from music to justify a major competitor using their technology.

[cartman13]

Originally Posted by nick.ftw

I have had a PRE since yesterday.


My roommate works for sprint and service manager etc they gave him one for free to play with. The phone isnt bad at all. It has a really cheap feel too it once you slide it out for keyboard. Feels like it would break easily. The touch isnt as good as the iphone but isnt bad at all. The browsing is nice but the screen isnt as big as the iphone and the detail isnt as great. Has some nice options. Its pretty light. I would rather have the iphone tho...

REALLY? i thought i read a memo saying limted supplies will restrict employees from getting a pre for at least the frist week?!?

As for everyone putting the pre down i think you'll be surprised. It may not be an iphone killer, but i hear from people that have seen it in person, it's user interface is very slick. But the bigger point is the pre has revived palm as a company. When a carier like verizon decides to take on palm handsets again because of the Pre, that's huge. And from the looks of it, Palm was able to demand verizon carry 2 of their models. (probalby the palm pro as well).

[doan_1]

Not enough sales out of an untouched (outside iPods) CDMA Market? 100 Million + in the US. Another 3-4 here in canada and the billions in china, bermuda, india etc... CDMA may make up for maybe 15% of the world market, but that is a BIG 15%! They have pretty much given up on the CDMA iPhone, so why not get some revenue for something you don't even have to support. It's like: Here is a business. You make profit, while we take care of the overhead in R&D for hardware and network. Sounds like a good deal to me. Lets face it, v3.0 will refresh the iPhone when it comes out. And the final version is yet to be determined. Pre launches next week. So why don't we wait and see, I for one am excited being in cellular retail at a multi carrier outlet! I'll be getting all of these devices in my store and I will, as always, put them through the ringer.

One thing I really want to see in action is the touchstone charging system! No more plugs! If that can be worked into a car mount, that alone is worth a look. Bluetooth sync and wireless charging. Just pointing out there is some good stuff coming, wether you agree that it's the future or not. It'll be neat to see how it's implemented.