[rel1215]

i don't know if many of you read fortune, but the fact that it has something to do with apple and it comes from that mag, tells me its prob. not true. Fortune has never written anything positive about anything apple. the way they write about apple, you would think apple should have gone out of business years ago. so needless to say, with all the negativity about apple being written, and all of apple's success in recent years, very little that fortune has written has turned out to be true.

i'm getting sick of hearing about the pre.....its doomed.....its already (outside of iphone sites) been deemed as a better phone than the iphone. the expectations are WAY higher than the storm...thats a lot to live up to for a phone and mobile OS's INITIAL RELEASE. does anyone actually think it will live up to that kind of hype from day one? no way.....and any initial problems will be all that matters, especially with a new iphone coming out right on its heels. from a business standpoint, palm has been screwing the pooch on this one for a while now.....too long to get to market, wrong carrier to partner with, HORRIBLE release date(two days before WWDC ARE YOU KIDDING ME), and more hype than the phone will be able to live up to....

.......nice knowing you palm.

[sayam]

i guess palm's gonna sink soon but I still hope they don't

[alek]

apple will never let this happen and this is total BS, only a select few phone could ever sync with itunes and that was years before the iphone. I just hate how this site only has BS like this really, i have come to using xSellize for inews.

[AutumnBoard]

Come on guys, stop saying how terrible the Pre is. It's not even out yet! You haven't come within a mile of on, let alone used one. Maybe it's good, maybe it's not. We'll have to wait and see.
As for the syncing with iTunes, that's actually pretty awesome. Who cares if Apple doesn't like it? Tough **** for them. It'll be another way to give the iPhone some competition. Competition is good for the consumer. I, for one, look forward to seeing how the Pre turns out.

[02589]

Also, set down your kool aid and think about how simple and weak the iphone was on it's initial release. It was a crappy PDA with a super slick interface and almost no apps, not to mention a new OS albeit based on a provem OS.

[brianturney]

ANY phone with a slide out keyboard is garbage in IMO. I'm glad he got fired for insisting the iphone have a keyboard and that apple didnt put one on it. keyboard sliders are clunky, make the phone thick bricks (the pre (0.67 inches thick) is twice as thick as the iphone 3G (0.33″ inches thick) , they break easy, and its archaic technology for those who refuse to learn future/better input methods. The Pre supports only pop and imap, no exchange sync or mobileme type file sync either. Good for him that he quit or got fired and made the Pre. Pre will not even come close to the iphone and will fail just like all the other smartphones are doing right now that are clinging to technology of the past. Apple was revolutionary for putting as FEW buttons on the phone as possible. All other 'buttons' are graphics on the screen that are reprogrammable/changeable with future OS releases. For all those people who can't type on the screen without 'feeling' that they've hit a button (usually the elders of the group), or those who say 'I can't type and drive at the same time without the keyboard', learn to type on the screen using multi-touch technology. we've been cursed with slide out keyboards on great phones for the past 10 years. Good riddens! Multi-touch/touchscreen input is the future, not buttons, sorry, get over it, move on. *insert crying emoticon with tiny violin here*

As for the Pre syncing with itunes, I'm sure that will be disabled when the next iTunes is released. It will probably check for the OS and kill any connection with non-apple OSes.

Read this article (Pre vs IPhone) and tell me if you still think the Pre sounds like it will be better.
http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/05...e-30-palm-pre/

[AutumnBoard]

Originally Posted by brianturney

ANY phone with a slide out keyboard is garbage in IMO. I'm glad he got fired for insisting the iphone have a keyboard and that apple didnt put one on it. keyboard sliders are clunky, make the phone thick bricks (the pre (0.67 inches thick) is twice as thick as the iphone 3G (0.33″ inches thick) , they break easy, and its archaic technology for those who refuse to learn future/better input methods. The Pre supports only pop and imap, no exchange sync or mobileme type file sync either. Good for him that he quit or got fired and made the Pre. Pre will not even come close to the iphone and will fail just like all the other smartphones are doing right now that are clinging to technology of the past. Apple was revolutionary for putting as FEW buttons on the phone as possible. All other 'buttons' are graphics on the screen that are reprogrammable/changeable with future OS releases. For all those people who can't type on the screen without 'feeling' that they've hit a button (usually the elders of the group), or those who say 'I can't type and drive at the same time without the keyboard', learn to type on the screen using multi-touch technology. we've been cursed with slide out keyboards on great phones for the past 10 years. Good riddens! Multi-touch/touchscreen input is the future, not buttons, sorry, get over it, move on. *insert crying emoticon with tiny violin here*

The on-screen keyboard is a mixed blessing. For one thing, the on-screen keyboard approach is not for everyone, by any stretch. For one thing, they take up a massive ammount of screen space. And, most importantly, some people just prefer a keyboard that you feel and know where it is. Some people are very tactile by nature. That's not a bad thing, for your information. You shouldn't be so unbelievably snotty. Who's gonna listen to you if you talk like that. Anyway, it's a lot harder to get a feel for the on-screen keyboard sometimes. It changes a lot, and that's a good and bad thing. It's harder to get a feel for that for one thing (ever heard of muscle memory?), but it can create opportunities for developers to make more complex and innovative apps. Some people really like a physical keyboard. some people don't. I think there should be 2 iPhones, one with a flip-out keyboard, and one with the on-screen keyboard. That would be a great solution, in my opinion. Are you listening, Apple?

[StealthBravo]

^ iPhone will never have a slider keyboard! Mark it!

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by lilzone

well if the pre is his vision of what the iphone should be, then I'll keep mine. From what I have seen of the Pre it does look like a good phone and all, but dont think it is going to outdo the iphone. exp after 3.0 comes out.

Wait, you didn't know how to spell "especially" so you abbreviated and STILL got it wrong? I'll admit that I often find that I typed an x there and correct it before anyone sees.

Originally Posted by sziklassy

The OP all too hastily assumes (if this is true) that Apple is not aware of this, and if they are, that Apple wouldn't allow it. Is it at all possible that Palm came to Apple and got permission for this? Surely a company like Palm isn't foolish enough to take such actions without consent are they?

Exactly. Also, I believe that it may have come specifically from their disagreements. In response to Apple's legal threats they may have paid Apple something to drop it and allow them to use some of their technology, including sync. It could go the other way too... Apple's legal threats were unfounded and they were under threat of counter-suit if Apple did not give them something desirable.

Originally Posted by brianturney

ANY phone with a slide out keyboard is garbage in IMO. I'm glad he got fired for insisting the iphone have a keyboard and that apple didnt put one on it. keyboard sliders are clunky, make the phone thick bricks (the pre (0.67 inches thick) is twice as thick as the iphone 3G (0.33″ inches thick) , they break easy, and its archaic technology for those who refuse to learn future/better input methods. The Pre supports only pop and imap, no exchange sync or mobileme type file sync either. Good for him that he quit or got fired and made the Pre. Pre will not even come close to the iphone and will fail just like all the other smartphones are doing right now that are clinging to technology of the past. Apple was revolutionary for putting as FEW buttons on the phone as possible. All other 'buttons' are graphics on the screen that are reprogrammable/changeable with future OS releases. For all those people who can't type on the screen without 'feeling' that they've hit a button (usually the elders of the group), or those who say 'I can't type and drive at the same time without the keyboard', learn to type on the screen using multi-touch technology. we've been cursed with slide out keyboards on great phones for the past 10 years. Good riddens! Multi-touch/touchscreen input is the future, not buttons, sorry, get over it, move on. *insert crying emoticon with tiny violin here*

As for the Pre syncing with itunes, I'm sure that will be disabled when the next iTunes is released. It will probably check for the OS and kill any connection with non-apple OSes.

Read this article (Pre vs IPhone) and tell me if you still think the Pre sounds like it will be better.
http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/05...e-30-palm-pre/

Wah wah wah. Dinging a phone for not supporting Mobile Me is like dinging a phone for not being an iPhone, which is hardly fair. As for Exchange support, the iPhone didn't support it for a whole year. Even now, how many non-corporate users are using it? Well, let's just say that if Palm could have even a fraction of that market it'd be a phenomenal success. I expect them to add Exchange support rather quickly, being a PDA... a TRUE SmartPhone.

As for learning to type with a multi-touch keyboard: You wish! Apple has failed to make multi-touch useful for anything but the few apps that support pinching and unpinching... most disappointingly of all, the keyboard. On top of that, the significant delay in A2DP audio makes the clicking sounds useless... iPhone OS 3.0 has no option to output it from the speakers when using A2DP, so it desperately NEEDS haptic feedback.

Good riddance!

[JerseyScottie]

Apple needs to shut up.Who cares if it syncs with itunes.It's not like they're stealing anything.

[brianturney]

Originally Posted by AutumnBoard

The on-screen keyboard is a mixed blessing. For one thing, the on-screen keyboard approach is not for everyone, by any stretch. For one thing, they take up a massive ammount of screen space. And, most importantly, some people just prefer a keyboard that you feel and know where it is. Some people are very tactile by nature. That's not a bad thing, for your information. You shouldn't be so unbelievably snotty. Who's gonna listen to you if you talk like that. Anyway, it's a lot harder to get a feel for the on-screen keyboard sometimes. It changes a lot, and that's a good and bad thing. It's harder to get a feel for that for one thing (ever heard of muscle memory?), but it can create opportunities for developers to make more complex and innovative apps. Some people really like a physical keyboard. some people don't. I think there should be 2 iPhones, one with a flip-out keyboard, and one with the on-screen keyboard. That would be a great solution, in my opinion. Are you listening, Apple?

I didnt write that with a snotty attitude I wrote it with a pullout keyboards are lame attitude. I hope they never make one. its going backwards and catering to people who refuse to learn new methods of input. Companies who cater to old technology to appease those that dont like change keep the technology from advancing. Kudos to Apple for holding their ground. the onscreen keyboard may take up screen space, but only temporarily while input is made. The keyboard under the screen doubles the thickness of the phone, makes is fat and bulky, and thats permanent. it doesnt get thinner when you're done using it. I've heard of muscle memory. I use it everyday when I type on my iphone. my fingers know exactly how far to move now without the crutch of hitting a button. Back when I got my 2G I spent two weeks getting used to the way to type on the iphone. now when I type people look at me in amazement that I can type faster than they can on their keyboard phones. several of them switched to iphone after they saw me typing, because they 'thought they would never be able to learn' to type fast enough. now they do. It's just a matter of letting go of the security blanket of the tactile keyboard. muscle memory works just as well on the iphone.

[acaijr73]

Well The Palm Pre isnt the only phone that can sync with itunes.. BB Storm can do it aswell my friend has one and tried it and it worked. I dunno if its only the Storm that can do it or their latest models (BOLD, JJAVELIN & STORM) but if 1 can um sure future bb models will. Thats unless ofcourse apple jumps in and intervenes

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by brianturney

I didnt write that with a snotty attitude I wrote it with a pullout keyboards are lame attitude. I hope they never make one. its going backwards and catering to people who refuse to learn new methods of input. Companies who cater to old technology to appease those that dont like change keep the technology from advancing. Kudos to Apple for holding their ground. the onscreen keyboard may take up screen space, but only temporarily while input is made. The keyboard under the screen doubles the thickness of the phone, makes is fat and bulky, and thats permanent. it doesnt get thinner when you're done using it. I've heard of muscle memory. I use it everyday when I type on my iphone. my fingers know exactly how far to move now without the crutch of hitting a button. Back when I got my 2G I spent two weeks getting used to the way to type on the iphone. now when I type people look at me in amazement that I can type faster than they can on their keyboard phones. several of them switched to iphone after they saw me typing, because they 'thought they would never be able to learn' to type fast enough. now they do. It's just a matter of letting go of the security blanket of the tactile keyboard. muscle memory works just as well on the iphone.

There's a reason why keyboards and even plastic Guitar Hero controllers have bumps on certain keys... muscle memory is not a replacement.

That said, you sound just like the fictional fanboys that fully embraced the fictional "Mac Book Wheel" as "the next generation" as if it had no usability flaws what-so-ever and should fully supplant the traditional tactile keyboard. I have a question for you: Why not support small, easily-portable, and completely-optional Bluetooth keyboards like every other SmartPhone?

[lilskaterpunk]

Awesome. Im sure apple is gonna do something about this though! lol

[CaptainChaos]

I wonder if Apple knows about this? Gee. Let me think about it.