[Teoyaomqui]

Originally Posted by Eurisko

Unlike Microsoft whose license swindling got them the primary market share, Apple relies on its computer hardware Sales. They can't afford to go software only.

See, there you go. Finally someone said something smart.

They need to markup the hardware which you can get cheaper to make up for what they don't get selling OS X.

Originally Posted by sziklassy

Ah ok... that's fair then. I thought you got it directly from the site, LOL



They could, if they changed things around... but they choose not to. Apple's salespitch is still mostly "Apple is trendy. You want to be trendy? Buy an Apple (product)." Are their products great? Yes. Do I still own them? Yes. But saying they can;t go software only is BS. I would rather have my system loaded with a bunch of BS trial software and get like 500 bucks off. Really, how easy is it to either delete all the garbage or better yet pop in the OS disk and reinstall the whole thing. We are paying for a convenience package (the whole commercial where you plug in one cable and you are done). Really, I doubt most people are THAT ignorant that they need that. My mom just started LITERALLY using computers this past year (she uses a PC because it was cheaper) and she already knows how to do plenty. If a sixty-five year old can pick up a computer for the first time and learn how to use it (she literally didn't even like to use the ATM before since it was a machine), then I don't think we really require the overlysimplified approach of plug and play that Apple is providing us. I am sure there are a group of people that would prefer to pay the extra, and that is fine. Why not subsidise just like they do with the iPhone and make two versions. Hell, that would probably get people to jump with the PC market. As for other companies such as Asus, MSI, etc. They rely on hardware sales a great deal, yet their hardware isn;t anywhere near the price of Apple's Does Apple use the nicest quality and look for materials? No doubt. But again, they CHOOSE to put themselves in that hole, and they CHOOSE not to get themselves out.

Mac's are good "as long as you don't mess with them." They could last you Years. They work because they were made to just work with the hardware that they got.

Windows is not a Hardware manufacturer and I believe if they made their software to work with just a specifically hardware they could and "maybe" be better. That's were M$ has the problem and where it is good at, it can work with many, many, many different hardware parts.

Macs are good as long as you don't mess with them.

[idolpunk]

I hope they have some good lawyers

[happyjam64]

I hope another company dosen't makes a ripoff of this called "CherryS"! lol. I think it's good how companies are offering Mac os computers for half the price of Apple ones. Let's be honest, Apple hardware is overpriced. Yes it's sleek and looks nice, but i'd rather have something that just works. Function over form and price. Also, now apple has too offer more too consumers other than the fact that it's a computer from apple.

[Kruejl]

Macs are overpriced, plain and simple. They are still severely limited when it comes to compatibility with the masses. I am not saying that is right, wrong or otherwise. Its just the plain truth that its a Windows world we all live in.
Yes, Mac sales have increased a lot in the last few years. Is that due to the Mac itself? Not really. Its due to Apple's huge success with the iPod and the iPhone. It brought Apple into the limelight and people started jumping to Macs. After the "newness" wears off, many jump back to a PC because it can do more in the real world.

I think its great that people can get a Mac-ish machine for a decent price. As soon as Apple figures that one out themselves, they might sell more real ones.

[royalnewjersey]

Originally Posted by sale666

apple does NOT PRODUCE they ASSEMBLE! see the difference?
kingmax ram is kingmax ram is it in a pc or a mac its the same thing! nvidia 9600m is nvidia 9600m! is it in a mac or a notebook pc! seagate HDD is seagate HDD! get my point?
the only differece is you paid round 200% more money for the same thing! Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, Digital Cameras and more! now go check all your components and see how much money you wasted!

Yes, technically Apple does "assemble" their parts with readily available and cheaper components. BUT it's not as huge of a difference as you made it seem.

You picked to compare the RAM. Apple specifically prices RAM at a higher rate because of their implied warranty. Often times RAM is the first thing to go in a computer (besides HD) which can also damage components of the logic-board it is connected to. Logicboards are VERY expensive to replace, upwards of $500 depending on the machine.

Now, let's say you buy the newegg RAM and save $400. What happens when it frys your logic-board? You take it to an apple store, shell out $500 more for the repair (plus labor). Then you stick in a new set of ram you purchased, (or buy apple ram) and go on your way.

You can see how taking the quick and "cheap" way can end up being very expensive in the long haul. We're talking a full three years of Applecare protection.

Check the prices of the HD upgrades, you'll find them to be MUCH closer for obvious repair reasons. Peace of mind IS worth quite a bit. Especially for those of us who are professionals.

[Kruejl]

^^^Many more "professionals" rely on PC's built with off-the-shelf components than Macs.

And I think peace of mind is worth quite a bit to EVERYONE. That said, my PC (built by me with parts bought from newegg) has had a failure rate of ZERO in the last two years.

[Broomhead]

I wonder how long it will take for one1 to get this machine

[royalnewjersey]

Originally Posted by Kruejl

^^^Many more "professionals" rely on PC's built with off-the-shelf components than Macs.

And I think peace of mind is worth quite a bit to EVERYONE. That said, my PC (built by me with parts bought from newegg) has had a failure rate of ZERO in the last two years.

Oh no doubt. I am not discrediting PC users whatsoever. I have a PC I built from newegg as well. I know it may seem negative from the post.

I'm merely pointing out that there is a reason for the "high cost" of seemingly similar Mac components. Its not all black and white. Usually I would also make a comment about adding cost to fix XP/vista/Windows... but I guess PearC circumvented that one

[sale666]

hmmm i understand but in my experience iv never had that kinda thing happen to me! iv been assembling computer parts for years!
And i can tell you mac components are the sam one you can buy of s shelf in a retail store!
they don't have any secret unseen components!

And the way it goes i assemble it if something fry's iv got warranty! it was set up correctly so i will be replaced with a new component! it did happen once actually my PSU burnt because of some static discharge when i was upgrading my motherboard i just went to the vendors shop (HGSPOT in Croatia) and said it burnt given them the warranty paper and voila iv got my self my money back! and i bought a new PSU...
I understand mac has warranty but if you look a bit closer to the picture i posted you will see that in the text it stands LIFETIME warranty... matched by Apple? Don't think so... its like buying a Ferrari from some one for 100.000$ when a new one costs 60.000$... kinda stupid don't you think?

[sziklassy]

Originally Posted by Teoyaomqui

Mac's are good "as long as you don't mess with them." They could last you Years. They work because they were made to just work with the hardware that they got.

Windows is not a Hardware manufacturer and I believe if they made their software to work with just a specifically hardware they could and "maybe" be better. That's were M$ has the problem and where it is good at, it can work with many, many, many different hardware parts.

Macs are good as long as you don't mess with them.

I have had plenty of systems (windows based) that were fine for years after they were bought/built. The hardware in a Mac nowadays is damn near identical to that of a PC anyway. The only difference at this point is the extra prettiness factor and using materials like aluminum and glass.

[rocky5]

The problem with apple is there greedy bastards i had to pay £353 for a iphone 3g to find out that the bloody software on it phone wise is utter **** they made a mp3 ( Well a there own format more money ) play and just shoved any oldest phone software on it and called it a phone now i owned a ipod touch that cost me £200 then a couple of weeks later they bring out an bloody other one and charge you more for it as it has a shitty speaker and its rounded.

they do the same with there macs and macbooks you cant upgrade macs or macbooks like you can a laptop or pc this is where apple prey on there customers they release a good product then a couple of months later bring one out better so basically you have just bought a redundant product due to the fact apple spit out these things like babes teeth.

PC = Very easy to upgrade also Games
mac = Not very easy to upgrade play some games

Apple are greedy that's it the charge us here in the UK £20 for there headphones and there **** its just greed and the more people buy there stuff at there set prices there going to milk it as much as they can its like you selling 50 sweets at 10p each they only cost you 1p but people are buying them so your not going to say well it only cost me 1p you can have it for 3p its greed like others said Ipod and Iphone are the reason Macs are doing good the now when i first wanted a computer for college i never wanted a mac as every where had PCs so it was simple and i have never looked back i can play games like crysis HL2 + Mods high end games and if i want to play a new game that need better performance i spend about £400 one a new CPU and graphics card not an entire PC.

this is my thoughts as i was ripped off with my iphone done get me wrong its good for calling but that's it i had to buy software 3rd party to be abile to text people properly.

[s4mb4]

isn't there a performance difference with these 'clones'.
i thought that the apple OS was matched to the internal components to maximize the experience... no?
that said, i don't think Macs are all that overpriced. compare the HP Touch to am imac and they are about the same. not to mention the HP Touches are junk imho. (i had one and sent it back)

[dale1v]

Originally Posted by rocky5

The problem with apple is there greedy bastards i had to pay £353 for a iphone 3g to find out that the bloody software on it phone wise is utter **** they made a mp3 ( Well a there own format more money ) play and just shoved any oldest phone software on it and called it a phone now i owned a ipod touch that cost me £200 then a couple of weeks later they bring out an bloody other one and charge you more for it as it has a shitty speaker and its rounded.

they do the same with there macs and macbooks you cant upgrade macs or macbooks like you can a laptop or pc this is where apple prey on there customers they release a good product then a couple of months later bring one out better so basically you have just bought a redundant product due to the fact apple spit out these things like babes teeth.

PC = Very easy to upgrade also Games
mac = Not very easy to upgrade play some games

Apple are greedy that's it the charge us here in the UK £20 for there headphones and there **** its just greed and the more people buy there stuff at there set prices there going to milk it as much as they can its like you selling 50 sweets at 10p each they only cost you 1p but people are buying them so your not going to say well it only cost me 1p you can have it for 3p its greed like others said Ipod and Iphone are the reason Macs are doing good the now when i first wanted a computer for college i never wanted a mac as every where had PCs so it was simple and i have never looked back i can play games like crysis HL2 + Mods high end games and if i want to play a new game that need better performance i spend about £400 one a new CPU and graphics card not an entire PC.

this is my thoughts as i was ripped off with my iphone done get me wrong its good for calling but that's it i had to buy software 3rd party to be abile to text people properly.

lol you bought the PAYG iPhone 3G....seriously?!

[Tylervalo]

Think of Apple like Abercrombie......does the $5 shirt from Wal-Mart cover your bare skin? Yes, so does the $50 Abercrombie shirt. Does the Abercrombie shirt do anything different than the $5 shirt? Why do people go buy the $150 pair of Jeans from Abercrombie rather than the $15 Wal-Mart jeans? They look better, plain and simple, they are trendy. You can take the $15 Wal-Mart jeans and rip them, distress them and bleach them and you have almost the same thing (IE: OSx86), but you still don't have that Apple tag or that Abercrombie tag.

[sale666]

Originally Posted by Tylervalo

Think of Apple like Abercrombie......does the $5 shirt from Wal-Mart cover your bare skin? Yes, so does the $50 Abercrombie shirt. Does the Abercrombie shirt do anything different than the $5 shirt? Why do people go buy the $150 pair of Jeans from Abercrombie rather than the $15 Wal-Mart jeans? They look better, plain and simple, they are trendy. You can take the $15 Wal-Mart jeans and rip them, distress them and bleach them and you have almost the same thing (IE: OSx86), but you still don't have that Apple tag or that Abercrombie tag.

Excelent point! you pay the APPLE LOGO! nothing else the hardware is IDENTICAL of the PC's because MAC is a PC! it just has a different operating system end of story! if your willing to pay a hell load of money for something to look good but have less performace you must be rich or stupid no other explanation... i can buy a notebook an alienware one wich are the mosted priced notebooks and id never consider buying them! and it would over pass ANY mac with a hell lot of less price!
i just dont think its smart wasteing money on a logo... well its your choice!