[ecd5000]

1st there both over priced they should sell for $100 for both and 2nd without wifi 1st gen and itouch are useless, but does the adapter charge these 2? can it work as an adapter to play your music in the car? i would never buy either due to the price but is always a good thing to know

[ima80baby]

Originally Posted by A.T

ima80baby, keep digging yourself a hole, noob!!
That vid clearly shows the kit woking on a an iPhone 2G that has no GPS chip in it. Wifi has nothing to do with GPS!

from one noob to another: the iphone 2g has internet access through edge therefore the gps enhancer inside the kit will give you gps however the iPod touch cannot connect to the internet without wifi. what is it that you dont understand? You need internet access to get GPS whether its through the iphone 3g & 3gs's built in chip or the 2g's edge connection being helped with the kit's gps enhancer chip. for the last time the ipod touch can't get internet access without wifi.

Originally Posted by A.T

ima80baby, keep digging yourself a hole, noob!!
That vid clearly shows the kit woking on a an iPhone 2G that has no GPS chip in it. Wifi has nothing to do with GPS!

wifi has everything to do with GPS on an iPod touch why do you think Maps cant find your location when your not connected to wifi, and try using Maps or any GPS based app on an iphone with the sim card removed guess what no GPS without internet access

[awesomeiPod]

Of course the iPod touch won't work since it has no GPS chip so why be so surprised of that.

Originally Posted by ima80baby

wifi has everything to do with GPS on an iPod touch why do you think Maps cant find your location when your not connected to wifi, and try using Maps or any GPS based app on an iphone with the sim card removed guess what no GPS without internet access

What?! Wifi has nothing to do this! iPhone doesn't need wifi because of EDGE and 3G! iPhone has GPS chip. iPod touch DOES NOT HAVE GPS CHIP! Therefore, it is incompatible with the iPod touch even with wifi! No GPS chip, no GPS regardless of wifi! Enough said!

[rhekt]

preordered mine yesterday. supposed to ship on nov 17 and get to me by the 20th. cant wait... ive held off on the app though due to the horrible reviews. waiting to see what people think about it when they couple it with the new dock.

[ima80baby]

Originally Posted by awesomeiPod

Of course the iPod touch won't work since it has no GPS chip so why be so surprised of that.



What?! Wifi has nothing to do this! iPhone doesn't need wifi because of EDGE and 3G! iPhone has GPS chip. iPod touch DOES NOT HAVE GPS CHIP! Therefore, it is incompatible with the iPod touch even with wifi! No GPS chip, no GPS regardless of wifi! Enough said!

ok smart guy how can the ipod touch find your location in maps with wifi and it cant when not connected to wifi. and again if the iphone has a GPS chip in it then why do you need to be connected to the internet to get GPS.

[awesomeiPod]

Originally Posted by ima80baby

ok smart guy how can the ipod touch find your location in maps with wifi and it cant when not connected to wifi. and again if the iphone has a GPS chip in it then why do you need to be connected to the internet to get GPS.

Think about a normal GPS device. Where does it get its location and the map? They get the map data from downloading from the Internet, then transfer it to the device. iPhone and iPod touch? Of course, iPod touch needs Wi-Fi to get the location. Even you can get the location, it is not designed for GPS and does no have GPS chip. iPhone is designed for it. Since the iPhone doesn't download the preset map data, it must use EDGE or 3G depending on the generation. TomTom navigation app doesn't download the map data. It uses EDGE and 3G to get the data. How to find its location? Type in the specific location on it, then it would use the EDGE and 3G to find it in TomTom app.

[ima80baby]

Originally Posted by awesomeiPod

Think about a normal GPS device. Where does it get its location and the map? They get the map data from downloading from the Internet, then transfer it to the device. iPhone and iPod touch? Of course, iPod touch needs Wi-Fi to get the location. Even you can get the location, it is not designed for GPS and does no have GPS chip. iPhone is designed for it. Since the iPhone doesn't download the preset map data, it must use EDGE or 3G depending on the generation. TomTom navigation app doesn't download the map data. It uses EDGE and 3G to get the data. How to find its location? Type in the specific location on it, then it would use the EDGE and 3G to find it in TomTom app.

exactly my point. i'm not talking about there being gps chips in ipods im talking about the ability to download and find your location using an ipod which of course you cannot do without wifi therefore making the tomtom kit incompatible with an ipod which is why i cant figure out why people are surprised that its not compatible

[irich25]

.... there's different types of gps, the one itouch has right now isn't really gps it just triangulates its location from surrounding wifi, and the 2g does the same but with cell towers and wifi, and finally the 3gs and 3g can use cell tower + wifi or gps...

[tudtran]

Wow. That's another reason not to buy one.

[zozodouce]

No free ride ahhahahaa.

[crewxp]

You need wifi to get a GPS signal. How will the navigator know where you are if your position is not triangulated. Its just like trying to use Maps on an iPod touch you can see the map that was loaded when you used it on wifi but it can't tell you where you are at the moment because there is no internet connection. DUH!

lol @ ima80baby

Triangulation Algorithms have no bearing on GPS technology. It's a different system of networks entirely. And you don't need a fckin wifi signal to get a GPS signal. You need a GPS chipset to get a GPS signal. If you can't understand this concept (the BASICS of ranged networking), you'll never understand any more. A previous poster was right. You're just digging a hole. Go learn exactly how GPS works before you post here.

Source: 4+ years with Lockheed.

[Xagest]

Wow, my brain hurts.

GPS has nothing to do with Wifi/Edge/3G. All you need to do to use a GPS is chip and a view to the sky. An internet connection is only needed to download the map from google maps. Most non-subscription GPS devices do NOT have any internet connection whatsoever.

[haani]

Originally Posted by crewxp

lol @ ima80baby

Triangulation Algorithms have no bearing on GPS technology. It's a different system of networks entirely. And you don't need a fckin wifi signal to get a GPS signal. You need a GPS chipset to get a GPS signal. If you can't understand this concept (the BASICS of ranged networking), you'll never understand any more. A previous poster was right. You're just digging a hole. Go learn exactly how GPS works before you post here.

Source: 4+ years with Lockheed.

exactly think of standalone tomtom devices they have GPS chip and therefore don't need wifi/3G/Edge Connection to get ur location!!! theres now two kinds of GPS chips ones GPS and anther is (which is now most commonly used) AGPS (A stands for Assisted) which uses ur internet connection to enhance ur location but if you have dont have any internet connection GPS will still be able to locate you through satellites. Theres another video I saw that shows iPhone 2G working with tomtom car kit don't know why everyone is thinking ii isn't compatible, it is!!!

[shabz_de_don]

Originally Posted by ima80baby

from one noob to another: the iphone 2g has internet access through edge therefore the gps enhancer inside the kit will give you gps however the iPod touch cannot connect to the internet without wifi. what is it that you dont understand? You need internet access to get GPS whether its through the iphone 3g & 3gs's built in chip or the 2g's edge connection being helped with the kit's gps enhancer chip. for the last time the ipod touch can't get internet access without wifi.



wifi has everything to do with GPS on an iPod touch why do you think Maps cant find your location when your not connected to wifi, and try using Maps or any GPS based app on an iphone with the sim card removed guess what no GPS without internet access

therea a big difference between gps and wifi or the 3g connection i thnkk you are refering to GPRS (General Packet Radio Service) not GPS (Global Positioning System) dude gett it right.... egde, 3g is internet based... GPS is satelite based, the iphone 3g and 3gs have a gps chip inside it! itouch and iphone 2g hasnt!

[mrangry]

does the kit work on your iphone i take it is the first gen iphone