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    Default Why the Pangu iOS 7.1/7.1.1 Jailbreak Was Both a Good Thing and a Bad Thing


    The Pangu jailbreak for iOS 7.1 and iOS 7.1.1 that was released on Monday was followed with a lot of cheers from the jailbreak community, but there are some pros and cons to the fact that the jailbreak was even released.

    The Good

    1. iPhone 4 Jailbroken for Life?

    One of the good things we can attribute to this jailbreak is that the iPhone 4 is technically jailbroken for life. We're expecting a release of iOS 7.1.2 in the near future to fix some problems with iOS in its current state, but Pangu is reportedly already ready for iOS 7.1.2 and should be able to jailbreak that firmware out of the box, or with a minor update. This is expected to be one of, if not THE last iOS 7 firmware before iOS 8 is released this Fall. The iPhone 4 won't be able to run iOS 8, so it's stuck on iOS 7 forever.

    With the iPhone 4 being jailbroken for life, those with the device will no longer have to worry about updates breaking their valued jailbreaks, and they will be able to restore and re-jailbreak any time at their own leisure. This means that the iPhone 4 makes a great tweak testing device, because when things go wrong, you actually will be able to restore without any consequence.

    2. New Device Buyers Have a Jailbreak

    Another great thing we have to thank Pangu for is those buying new devices with iOS 7.1.2 on them that don't have the ability to downgrade to iOS 7.0.6 or earlier can now have a jailbreak. If you go out and buy a device in a store right now, there is a slight, but slim, chance that it'll come with a jailbreakable firmware. It's more likely if you're buying from a smaller store that doesn't re-stock often.

    It's also great for those that have to take their broken devices to an Apple Store and they replace it with a new device that is running a new firmware that cannot be jailbroken. Nothing feels better than a brand new device out of the box with a nice jailbreak on it.

    3. Those Who Accidentally Updated Now Have a Jailbreak

    If you accidentally updated your device in the past and lost your jailbreak, or a tweak you installed caused such an epic fail that you needed to restore and update, then you now have a jailbreak.

    Unfortunately, iTunes doesn't let you restore to the firmware you were just running, you have to restore AND update, so if you got stuck with updating, or you just clicked update by accident and walked away then came back to a fully updated and non-jailbroken device, then Pangu will be your life saver.

    4. New Hackers Have Joined the Effort for Jailbreaking

    We appreciate the time and effort of all of the hackers that have worked to bring us jailbreaks in the past, so we're not saying that we're happy there are new hackers working on jailbreaking to put them out of business, but with additional hackers working on the jailbreak scene, there is a potential for faster jailbreak releases and possibly better collaboration in the future.

    The new jailbreak tool bring released by a number of unheard-of hackers shows us that jailbreaking is not dead and that there isn't only a single small group of hackers out there that are interested in keeping the tradition going.

    The Bad

    1. More Exploits Used

    Pangu is a nice luxury for us... right now. But when iOS 8 comes out to the public, there are now fewer exploits that could be used by hackers in the future because Apple is likely to patch the exploits used in the Pangu jailbreak by the time of the public release of iOS 8 this Fall.

    This means the hackers that try hard to bring us jailbreaks will have to work even harder to come up with ways to jailbreak the new operating system when it's released, and this could delay progress.

    2. Jailbreak Tweaks Were Not Ready

    This could arguably be applied to any new jailbreak release, but usually we get a heads-up when someone starts working on a jailbreak, either by way of some kind of teaser, or some kind of warning that some progress has been successful. Pangu came out of nowhere and no one was ready for it. Many, if not most, jailbreak tweaks were not ready for iOS 7.1.1 because of all the changes in the operating system from iOS 7.0.x to iOS 7.1+.

    This means that jailbreakers have to wait for compatibility for their favorite tweaks before Pangu even becomes useful to them.

    3. Developers Must Now Spend Time Updating Tweaks Instead of Coming Up With New Ideas

    What keeps the jailbreak community going 'round and 'round are the jailbreak tweaks, mods, and themes that developers make for us to use. When a new jailbreak comes out, developers have to rush to get all of their tweaks updated for the new jailbreak, and this takes away from the time that they could be using to work on new projects with ideas for improving on the iOS operating system even more.

    Those using the iOS 7.1/iOS 7.1.1 jailbreak will be happy to get their old tweaks back on iOS 7.1.1, but those that are sticking with iOS 7.0.6 or earlier, or those that don't use any of the tweaks that are being updated will have to wait even longer until something cooler actually comes to see the light.

    Overall

    While there are some pros and cons to the new jailbreak, we are definitely happy to see another major release of iOS jailbroken for the public. This opens the doors for so many new iOS device buyers to join our community and enjoy the modifications that we've enjoyed for years. It also lets those of us that want to be on the most secure firmware to date have a stable jailbreak.

    If you're considering jailbreaking your iOS 7.1, iOS 7.1.1, or in the future – your iOS 7.1.2 device, you should read our seven considerations before going through with the jailbreak. If you've decided that you're gun-ho with the new jailbreak and you're ready to do it, then you can follow our guide at this link.

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    Most JB devs seem to create endless variants of the lockscreen or notification screen. Something actually useful would be welcome.

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    This is totally not a good thing. If you missed out iOS 7.0 through 7.0.6 jailbreak its your own damn fault. They should have saved those precious exploits for iOS 8. I have an iPad 3 that is now jailbroken on iOS 7.1.1 and i really don't care. it would have been worth the wait to have a iOS 8 jailbreak released sooner

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    I had the iOS 8 betas. It's not that much different, nor better than iOS 7. Everything iOS 8 "offers", can be found in Cydia. And it's usually better because it has customization options. Everything iOS 8 has was stolen from Cydia anyways. I'm happy they released the jailbreak. It'll hit 7.1.2 as well. They will find other exploits and jailbreak iOS 8 either way. Apple never wins this war. As far as saying its someones fault for missing out on 7.0.6..that doesn't make sense. What if someone lost/stolen their phone and had to buy a new one? Or switched over to an iPhone for the first time? It's their fault for not having 7.0.6? Come on BRUH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Answer1o1 View Post
    I had the iOS 8 betas. It's not that much different, nor better than iOS 7. Everything iOS 8 "offers", can be found in Cydia. And it's usually better because it has customization options. Everything iOS 8 has was stolen from Cydia anyways. I'm happy they released the jailbreak. It'll hit 7.1.2 as well. They will find other exploits and jailbreak iOS 8 either way. Apple never wins this war. As far as saying its someones fault for missing out on 7.0.6..that doesn't make sense. What if someone lost/stolen their phone and had to buy a new one? Or switched over to an iPhone for the first time? It's their fault for not having 7.0.6? Come on BRUH
    +1

    In his/her little bubble, the 'burned' exploits were not worth it. BUT, there's a whole slew of reasons why this benefits the community.

    For example, in my little bubble, my job requires Enterprise access. Unfortunately, they can decide, whenever they want, what firmware to support and what to exclude.

    Jailbreaking makes me more productive in my job but I can almost guarantee when 7.1.2 is released, my job will REQUIRE us to use 7.1.1 or 7.1.2 if we want to continue Enterprise access.

    So...despite those that think it was a waste, you can Suck It!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steiganator View Post
    This is totally not a good thing. If you missed out iOS 7.0 through 7.0.6 jailbreak its your own damn fault. They should have saved those precious exploits for iOS 8. I have an iPad 3 that is now jailbroken on iOS 7.1.1 and i really don't care. it would have been worth the wait to have a iOS 8 jailbreak released sooner
    This article needs to be updated. This did NOT burn an exploit! In fact, i0nic tweeted about it, complaining that they used 'his training' to do it. This uses an expired security certificate exploit - one that toes the lines of legality in ways that the JB teams in the US would never have used. Again, this did NOT burn a new exploit, this has been mentioned by multiple people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DubbaCTrumpetMSU View Post
    This article needs to be updated. This did NOT burn an exploit! In fact, i0nic tweeted about it, complaining that they used 'his training' to do it. This uses an expired security certificate exploit - one that toes the lines of legality in ways that the JB teams in the US would never have used. Again, this did NOT burn a new exploit, this has been mentioned by multiple people.
    I understand what you're saying. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have been used for testing by the hackers internally. We didn't say they "burned" exploits.

    It's kind of in the same situation as one of the exploits that was used in the p0sixspwn jailbreak that the evad3rs were keeping to themselves for testing purposes only.

    Maybe these exploits wouldn't have made it to the public jailbreak release, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have been helpful.
    Last edited by Anthony Bouchard; 06-26-2014 at 01:42 PM.

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    As someone who was running Jailbroken 7.0.4 on my 4s, I'm very happy this JB came along whether it burned an exploit or not because my phone had become sluggish and unstable and there was no way to restore without updating. I had considered using something like ilex rat, but it seemed like too big of a risk.

    This should hold us all over until iOS 8 comes out and I imagine there are some exploits yet to be utilized once that happens.

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    I like the idea of having a jailbroken device on a stable firmware compared to a buggy one!


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    Default Why the Pangu iOS 7.1/7.1.1 Jailbreak Was Both a Good Thing and a Bad Thing
    Captmccool prompts a question. If my iPhone 5 with iOS 7.0.6 JB runs well should I bother upgrading and doing the JB again with this latest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steiganator View Post
    This is totally not a good thing. If you missed out iOS 7.0 through 7.0.6 jailbreak its your own damn fault. They should have saved those precious exploits for iOS 8. I have an iPad 3 that is now jailbroken on iOS 7.1.1 and i really don't care. it would have been worth the wait to have a iOS 8 jailbreak released sooner
    One day, my phone simply would not boot up after the battery had died. I tried E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G. Hell, I had a VERY tough time even restoring it, but the restore fixed whatever the problem was.

    I'm very happy about the 7.1.1 jailbreak because I've been locked out for months now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steiganator View Post
    This is totally not a good thing. If you missed out iOS 7.0 through 7.0.6 jailbreak its your own damn fault. They should have saved those precious exploits for iOS 8. I have an iPad 3 that is now jailbroken on iOS 7.1.1 and i really don't care. it would have been worth the wait to have a iOS 8 jailbreak released sooner

    This was not in fact any exploit that apple did not already know about, if you recall, Steve Esser not only wrote an article that was posted far and wide, he then put this exploit into his class curriculum, then proceeded to make a LOT of money lecturing and basically teaching the guy who eventually sold or gave this exploit to PP25.

    I would not be surprised if the guy who gave this to them was one if several people that tried to give the idea to us in the Self.jailbreak sreddit, but he was down voted to -5000 and left, giving the exploit to someone who would actually do something.

    It is probably not, but it may be the same guy I am thinking if, this user was in Germany, where Esser had a series of lectures.

    In fact pangu never revealed who- but the point is, the exploit used in this JB was already burned. People said the same thing when ih8tesn0w and winocm made THEIR iOS 6.1.3 jailbreak earlier this year, but in fact they did not use any exploit that iOS 8 could have used.

    If the entire -con aspect of this article is based on burned exploits, then it is false.

    Finally, there are jailbreak developers and there are tweak developers, "and never the twain shall meet"- except for the annual WWJC. So a new JB released DOES NOT take the JB devs away from their primary role of creating jaibreaks- but I do think, EVAD3RS could have released this, but instead they sat on so many collective arses.

    Quote Originally Posted by buggsy2 View Post
    Captmccool prompts a question. If my iPhone 5 with iOS 7.0.6 JB runs well should I bother upgrading and doing the JB again with this latest?
    I'll tell you why, because you are holding on to a crumbly cookie, iOS 7.1.1 is SO much more stable, also, you can restore and rejailbreak as many times as possible until this new JB is patched. It may be patched Friday if iOS 7.1.2 does not in fact work, in which case you have one day until this window of opportunity closes.

    You can keep what you got, and it is NOT fine, or you can upgrade and I guarantee you WILL ask yourself why the hell was I hanging onto iOS 7.0.6?

    I think, if you do not update, it's your call- a stupid call, but yours nevertheless. If you choose to not update, you can still read these forums and Reddits, only soon you will not be able to participate because all the devs have moved on to 7.1.1 leaving your iOS behind, maybe in a year they will come back and fix any tweaks that are buggy on iOS 7.0.6.
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    Default Why the Pangu iOS 7.1/7.1.1 Jailbreak Was Both a Good Thing and a Bad Thing
    I got lucky a couple weeks ago at an apple store when I replaced my iPhone 5 and they gave me one with 7.0.6 installed. They asked if I'd like them to update it and I quickly replied NO!
    At least now we don't have to rely on luck!


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    I just had my iphone replaced at an apple store because I went swimming with it in my pocket and they told me it's policy that they update the phone before turning it over to me. Such BS....


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    Quote Originally Posted by ferris419 View Post
    I just had my iphone replaced at an apple store because I went swimming with it in my pocket and they told me it's policy that they update the phone before turning it over to me. Such BS....
    Really? I wouldn't be to happy about that.

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    I'll tell you why, because you are holding on to a crumbly cookie, iOS 7.1.1 is SO much more stable
    7.0.6 is plenty stable. And a lot of JB tweaks have not yet been updated to 7.1.1, right?

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    My iPhone 4 was running so slow and problematic on iOS 7.0.6 that I jumped into the Pangu JB, balls out and full speed ahead. And I am pleased to say that it proved amazing for me. Thank you Pangu

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainmccool View Post
    As someone who was running Jailbroken 7.0.4 on my 4s, I'm very happy this JB came along whether it burned an exploit or not because my phone had become sluggish and unstable and there was no way to restore without updating. I had considered using something like ilex rat, but it seemed like too big of a risk.

    This should hold us all over until iOS 8 comes out and I imagine there are some exploits yet to be utilized once that happens.
    use semi restore you can get at semi-restore.com


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    This topic is so dumb. Any jailbrake is good period. I belive that developers/hackers that are part of the community either love doing this or the money is good. So its a win win situation. There will always be a way to jailbrake any version of ios. Apple depends on jailbrake. And developers "having" to update their tweaks? Well they dont "have" to. If they do its because like i said, they like doing it and improving their stuff and/or by updating it more people will buy their stuff!

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    Maybe I've been jailbreaking for too long but most of this could be said about any release. Granted yeah the way they just released it without warning means some tweaks aren't ready but I was surprised how much of my tweaks did work. I've only had problems with springtomize but it still works for the most part. In the mean time I'm using an extra app to unblur my folder backgrounds, no big deal. All this stuff just seems like it should be common knowledge amungst people who jailbreak at this point though.

    I went to the dark side for a couple gens but are we basically at the point where there's just one jailbreak per major iOS release?

    Quote Originally Posted by juanc723 View Post
    Apple depends on jailbrake.
    THIS. I don't think people realize how much of iOS's innovations since the beginning are copy's of or greatly inspired by jailbreak tweaks. I remember when you needed a tweak to make the pages scroll (fun fact, the dev went vertical)! So many things that apple's done that people now enjoy were copied from JB tweaks.

    I should point out though, it isn't just apple. The xbox 360 wouldn't be what it is if not for all the homebrew on the xbox 1 either.
    Last edited by boringdays; 06-26-2014 at 04:40 PM.

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