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10-08-2013, 10:38 AM #21
He's suffering from Reality Distortion Field. What he doesn't realize is that it only works with Steve Jobs.
10-08-2013, 12:22 PM #22
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10-08-2013, 01:08 PM #23
10-08-2013, 02:37 PM #24
Not saying that I actually agree with the idea that Android is more secure, after all, if you keep up with rooting/bootloader exploits in the Android world.... A new phone comes out, then like 2 weeks later or less there's a fully functional way to gain superuser access.
That is pretty damn sad though. 44% use Gingerbread or lower.... I know as soon as I got an Android (after having my iPhone 4S for over a year) I was like "EWWWWWW.... This is nasty" (It was on Gingerbread), then looked at my iPhone like "You are god," but then I installed CyanogenMod 9.2 and I really love Ice Cream Sandwich and newer OS revisions. Now I have a GS4 and I really like Android.
(For any potential haters, I still like iOS, but I just like Android slightly more, I might even get an iPhone again in the future. But to all the haters, don't start bashing Android until you get your own Android phone, and run a revision that isn't old, nasty, and full of holes. In other words, Android 4.0 or above before you let the bashing commence.)
This really is making me go into the problems of Android though. Android is like Linux (Other than the fact that it's based on Linux).
Google pushes out THEIR version of Android called AOSP into the world, then any random phone manufacturer picks it up, and adds their own tweaks and mods. Normally the end results is absolutely horrific and ugly and EVERYONE hates it. But AOSP is awesome. This is why if you ever get an Android, you make sure you have a bootloader exploit readily available, and put CyanogenMod on it (CyanogenMod is a distro of its own, but it's based heavily on AOSP, except with a few cool additions that are actually BETTER).
The argument against that is "Well, I want a phone that's cool by default." Well.... The iPhone isn't really that cool by default. Usually to get anything "cool" on it, you have to jailbreak it. I do like iOS by default, I used iOS5.0 stock for a few months, and iOS6.0 stock for a few months (Waiting on a jailbreak).
Here's the funny thing about that whole jailbreak scenario with Android. If you run a custom version of Android like CyanogenMod... You can update all you want, you can even update even MORE than the stock version your phone was running before usually. That's because it's like switching the OS on your computer, if you go from Windows to Linux, Windows system updates don't make your computer more horrible, but Linux updates make your computer more awesome. So, there's the irony of that part. I'm running Android 4.3 on my GS4, yet my stock Android revision is 4.2.2, and there's still no 4.3 update for it. Also, I can downgrade all I want, so screw APTickets and SHSH blobs that don't even work on newer phones. I can flash left right up and down without even having to use my PC.
Sorry about the rambling, I just needed to put that out into the iPhone world somewhere. I like iPhones, but Android isn't a bad choice either, people need to stop hating.
So, to wrap things up, Android is less secure because Google likes giving people options, phone manufacturers try to close those options up and lock people out. This results in worthless security. Because those options exist, and people don't know how to handle the OS they're given, this results in security "flaws."
Funny side note: Saurik, the beloved creator of Cydia put an app in the Android Market (It's doing horrible by the way, NO ONE is using mobile substrate to develop Oh well, we have a framework like Mobile Substrate now, it's called Xposed, and it's a pretty good rival to Substrate on iOS. Anyway, Saurik used Cydia Substrate (The one on Android) to make a patch available to the public that helped some of the security issues in Android (There's now the same patch available via Xposed).
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10-08-2013, 03:16 PM #26
Virus scanner for iPhone? Come on, that was pretty darn funny stuff. Of course the best thing about all this is, at least up to a year ago, Schmidt still used Blackberry instead of his own Android product. And Blackberry devices are very much secure, which is why they have the highest DOD rating. I'm not saying iOS isn't. But it's funny to watch Schmidt compare Apples and Oranges, yet all the while he's really eating nothing but Mangos!They can have my jailbreak when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
10-08-2013, 03:52 PM #27
Even when Iphone is also opensourced (jailbroken) you hardly ever see malware on cydia. They don't even compare in security
10-08-2013, 03:56 PM #28
Also "opensourced" it not a synonym for jailbroken. They don't even compare in meaning. <_<
10-08-2013, 04:54 PM #29
10-08-2013, 05:06 PM #30
But that wasn't my point. My point was, it really doesn't matter who copied who. Who cares? Take your pick. Do you like the original, or the one that's been changed? Android has almost been completely proven to have started as a ripoff. There was a dude on the Apple board from Google who saw prototypes of iOS and the iPhone. iPhone was released 2007, Android was released 2008. Supposedly there's no way, given the amount of time Google had to work with, that they could've released Android so quickly if they ripped it off from the RELEASE. So supposedly the guy on the Apple board leaked information to Google, which they then used to rip stuff off for Android. Who knows, really, because originally Android and iOS were pretty different. Android looked like one of those generic crappy touch screen interfaces we'd been seeing for a while. Also, Android was started in 2004, Google didn't buy them until a few years later. So they already had a base to build from.
But, building on my point, without Android iOS would have no competition. Without iOS, Android may or may not have even existed. Companies need to compete to keep the user happy and also to move forward. Even if Android STARTED as a rip off, in my opinion... it's kinda better now, and is definitely a lot different than iOS. (Although they still keep ripping things off back and forth. Apple rips, Google rips, Apple rips, Google rips)
At this point, neither company can be called the one who is "clean" and never ripped anyone off. It's like two toddlers fighting over a toy, it's always stupid, and it always ends badly unless someone bigger can come in and make them share.
And I mean really, who would Apple compete with if it weren't for Android? Android is the only possible competitor. Windows Phone is so horrible, people would've bit the bullet and got an iPhone no matter how much it would have cost. And BlackBerry is okay, but it's way worse than iOS. Potentially anyone could've filled the gap because a lower end cheaper phone needs to exist. At least Android does it elegantly and is actually worth using. And they don't HAVE to be low end phones. The OS itself can run on whatever it's built to run on, it just so happens a lot of those are cheaper, lower end phones, so people associate Android with useless junk.
10-08-2013, 08:21 PM #31
I bet he has an iPhone and secretly loves it!
10-08-2013, 10:39 PM #32
Apple users: World's biggest and most annoying fanboys.
THAT is the only thing that I don't like about Apple.
10-09-2013, 01:49 AM #33The dude on the Apple Board was ---> Schmidt!!
It goes farther than Schmidt leaking info about the iPhone to Google. When Google finally informed Apple of the fact that they were developing a phone, they showed Apple a prototype that looked like a Blackberry, with a half screen and physical keyboard! They purposely hid the fact that they were developing a copy of the iPhone with a full touch screen and onscreen keyboard. That's why Schmidt was asked to leave the board and why Jobs was so pissed and said that he would spend whatever it took "to right this wrong!"
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10-09-2013, 10:40 AM #38
Back to my point, because people seem to keep misunderstanding it. Why do any of you care who ripped off who? You like your iPhone? Cool. Android isn't hurting it. In fact it's probably helping it (Not by giving Apple stuff to rip off, but by simply being there as competition). And the same is true the other way around too. You like your Android? iOS isn't doing anything to hurt it. Why does anyone care? If you have an iPhone, you don't need to worry about the Android world one bit. If you have an Android, you don't have to worry about the iPhone world one bit.
10-09-2013, 10:49 AM #39
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