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Originally Posted by Zokunei A nice example of ad-hominem attacks and a spelling error. Truly he is smarter and more logical than everyone else who pointed this out to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
    A nice example of ad-hominem attacks and a spelling error. Truly he is smarter and more logical than everyone else who pointed this out to him.

    Can you explain how the statements quoted above aren't ad-hominem?
    The clue is in the words.
    Ad hominem = singular, directed at an individual.
    But 'crybaby fanboys' = plural, ergo not directed at an individual, ergo not ad hominem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim.jim View Post
    It's not hard to find grammatical errors. Line 2 of his first post on this thread, "Why aren't Apple writing funkier apps in-house ?"
    Apple in this instance, is used as a grammatical umbrella that refers to its many developers.

    You have not been charged for this consultation.

    Looks like I now have my own personal spell-checkers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awdad724 View Post
    The iPhone 4 was released June of 2010. The original iPhone was June of 2007. That's 3 years. That would mean this years iPhone would be up for major updates. Why is everyone complaining that its not fast enough.
    Because of the pace Android and their hardware is moving. What can Apple possibly come up with (that's useful) that hasn't been done already? 7-8" tablet? Been done. 1080p full HD screen? Been done. NFC? Been done. Wireless charging? Been done. 4.7-5" phone? Been done. Faster processor? Been done. If it's not already implemented in other hardware already, it'll probably be just another gimmick. Apple will be playing catch up no matter what they do.

    And no. If Apple follows their release history with the "s" series, this year you'll get an iPhone 5s with a faster processor. That's about it. The rest will just be minor upgrades to improve its shortcomings compare to top of the line android devices.

    I still have a place in my heart for Apple. I do still own 2 iPads (one for the wife), and she still uses an iPhone 4. And in a way, I do hope I'm wrong and they'll come out with something that blows my mind, just like when the iPhone 4 was released. But at this point and time, it's not looking good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPhoneThereforeIAm View Post
    The clue is in the words.
    Ad hominem = singular, directed at an individual.
    But 'crybaby fanboys' = plural, ergo not directed at an individual, ergo not ad hominem.
    Still pretty rude to call a group of people names when they were just trying to defend an operating system. Even when you 'debated' about OSes you only attacked Apple and their iPhone rather than defending Android or whatever.

    In fact, you never compared iOS to other OSes, even though you said that was what justified your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
    Still pretty rude to call a group of people names when they were just trying to defend an operating system. Even when you 'debated' about OSes you only attacked Apple and their iPhone rather than defending Android or whatever.

    In fact, you never compared iOS to other OSes, even though you said that was what justified your posts.
    You're clearly having problems moving on from this.
    My intentions have been made abundantly clear for all to see and even accepted by Simon the moderator.

    And I really am genuinely sorry that my recanting cannot change the fact that the iPhone's 2010 day in the sun is long gone.
    So there'd be little to be gained from trying to extract an Inquisition-style recantation from me - but you will always have the cherished memory of that sunny day in 2010.

    I am not by nature, a fanboy - I'm too much the pragmatist.
    I do not delude myself that Apple or any other manufacturer is perfect and therefore worthy of my undying loyalty regardless of desert.
    If maintaining my objectivity makes me a loyalty whore, then I'm more than happy to wear that cap if it pleases you.
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    I'm not happy with the sluggish progress since 2010 either, but that doesn't change the fact that you're rude and act like you have an intellectual monopoly on the forum.

    Although I don't really see what Android has done since Ice Cream Sandwich. The only difference between Google and Apple is that Google isn't calling it Android 5.0 and 6.0. I have an Android phone with 4.2.2 and the only differences between it and an iPhone are that you can have various widgets, keyboards, and themes without rooting (I don't use these personally, but they do give the OS an edge). I think that iOS has better animations and a more adequately-sized UI though, and jailbreak tweaks are better than what you can do with rooting. Those are pretty much the only reasons I like it better.

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    I have already summed up his idiocity in previous post. I am convinced at this point he is just trolling. Ignore him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zokunei View Post
    I'm not happy with the sluggish progress since 2010 either, but that doesn't change the fact that you're rude and act like you have an intellectual monopoly on the forum.

    Although I don't really see what Android has done since Ice Cream Sandwich. The only difference between Google and Apple is that Google isn't calling it Android 5.0 and 6.0. I have an Android phone with 4.2.2 and the only differences between it and an iPhone are that you can have various widgets, keyboards, and themes without rooting (I don't use these personally, but they do give the OS an edge). I think that iOS has better animations and a more adequately-sized UI though, and jailbreak tweaks are better than what you can do with rooting. Those are pretty much the only reasons I like it better.
    So I like a bit of banter.
    It's only rude to those seeking offence.
    But I shall endeavour to use shorter words, if it helps.

    Oh, you forgot Flash support, file-browsing and free icon-placement, BTW.
    Thx bai.

    Quote Originally Posted by pkmaximum View Post
    I have already summed up his idiocity in previous post. I am convinced at this point he is just trolling.
    Pretty lame sort of accusation, isn't it ?

    It's starting to smell a bit like BadLosersVille around here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iPhoneThereforeIAm View Post
    Pretty lame sort of accusation, isn't it ?

    It's starting to smell a bit like BadLosersVille around here.
    Considering your only response to my argument was "I was arguing just for the sake of arguing," it became pretty clear you are just trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPhoneThereforeIAm View Post
    So I like a bit of banter.
    It's only rude to those seeking offence.
    But I shall endeavour to use shorter words, if it helps.

    Oh, you forgot Flash support, file-browsing and free icon-placement, BTW.
    Thx bai.
    I'm not even offended. I'm just saying that it's rude to call people crybabies who need to get some tissues for liking an operating system better than BlackBerry or Android. That's obviously a stupid thing to say, so I have no need to be offended.

    I don't use those things either (or at least I wouldn't use file-browsing if I didn't need to install ROMs of later Android versions than the manufacturer offers). Again though, it does make Android better for people who want those features. OS preference is a purely subjective matter, and there's really no need to do anything other than try to help someone find the one that they'll like the best.

    My point has never been that iOS is better than Android. My point is that you're being mean-spirited about the whole thing and don't seem to understand that there are other people as smart as you on this forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iPhoneThereforeIAm View Post

    Oh, you forgot Flash support, file-browsing and free icon-placement, BTW.
    Thx bai.
    Flash isn't supported on android anymore. Adobe stopped developing it. Photon or skyfire browsers are 2 ways to get flash on both OS's.
    file browsing is available with jailbreak: ifile
    Free icon placement the same with gridlock.

    Compared to stock iOS yes, those are two things android has over iOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Flash isn't supported on android anymore. Adobe stopped developing it. Photon or skyfire browsers are 2 ways to get flash on both OS's.
    file browsing is available with jailbreak: ifile
    Free icon placement the same with gridlock.

    Compared to stock iOS yes, those are two things android has over iOS.
    Even in comparison to stock OS', those features are so arbitrary in the scope of "ground-breaking" features anyway. If Apple thought that things like "free-placement" of icons was critical to the user experience then it really would have had no reason not to include it. It is a mundane thing to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkmaximum View Post
    Even in comparison to stock OS', those features are so arbitrary in the scope of "ground-breaking" features anyway. If Apple thought that things like "free-placement" of icons was critical to the user experience then it really would have had no reason not to include it. It is a mundane thing to worry about.
    True, most people probably don't care about those features. I enjoy them though. Widgets is a big thing Android has that stock iOS could definitely benefit from, if not full blown widgets then at least some more for notification center. iWidget fills this gap on a jailbroken iOS device though
    The whole "launcher" thing on Android too I think is great. Being able to install a different "springboard" and customize it in numerous ways is a lot of fun. Kinda like dreamboard on jailbroken iOS but much more polished and developed. Being able to quickly switch between different setup layouts with a few presses is great for people who enjoy customizing.
    Looking forward to see if Apple actually pushes the envelope this time with iOS7 and adds some of these things. iOS6 was a lot more of the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    True, most people probably don't care about those features. I enjoy them though. Widgets is a big thing Android has that stock iOS could definitely benefit from, if not full blown widgets then at least some more for notification center. iWidget fills this gap on a jailbroken iOS device though
    The whole "launcher" thing on Android too I think is great. Being able to install a different "springboard" and customize it in numerous ways is a lot of fun. Kinda like dreamboard on jailbroken iOS but much more polished and developed. Being able to quickly switch between different setup layouts with a few presses is great for people who enjoy customizing.
    Looking forward to see if Apple actually pushes the envelope this time with iOS7 and adds some of these things. iOS6 was a lot more of the same.
    Very true, Apple definitely need to refresh the GUI, while leaving the old one intact as an option for legacy users who prefer it that way. Personally, I think Windows Live Tiles are the perfect GUI, as the icons can show more detailed information than a standard android or iOS icon. Everyone has their preferences though no doubt.

    Back to the original post of his thread. Blackberry CEO does make a lot of solid points, that iOS is aged, but by no means rendered invalid because of it.

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    Launchscreen basics like a clock, date and weather are basic requirements for many people.
    Trivialising it isn't going to change that.

    Sure you can get PerPageHTML+ for a Springboard clock and all the other JB tweaks, but as far as sales are concerned, only considerations of stock OS's matter.
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    I am sorry, but there has been nothing revolutionary in any of these phones for years. There are neat little add ons and tweaks that people might enjoy, but that is what they are, add ons and tweaks. Deciding whether or not to buy a phone based upon whether or not your weather is on the launchscreen is really silly, but that is what the differences between these phones has become. Even arguing over processor speed has become silly, does the current processor speed really become a bottle neck? Better cameras, LTE, better video, longer battery life, bigger screen, as long as it fits into your pocket, sturdier build, that is what it is coming down to, nothing revolutionary at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosestache View Post
    I am sorry, but there has been nothing revolutionary in any of these phones for years. There are neat little add ons and tweaks that people might enjoy, but that is what they are, add ons and tweaks. Deciding whether or not to buy a phone based upon whether or not your weather is on the launchscreen is really silly, but that is what the differences between these phones has become. Even arguing over processor speed has become silly, does the current processor speed really become a bottle neck? Better cameras, LTE, better video, longer battery life, bigger screen, as long as it fits into your pocket, sturdier build, that is what it is coming down to, nothing revolutionary at all.
    Couldn't agree less.
    How would you explain the rise of Android if not for these 'silly differences' ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iPhoneThereforeIAm View Post
    Couldn't agree less.
    How would you explain the rise of Android if not for these 'silly differences' ?
    Good marketing and an abundance of choice from the low end to the high.

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    He's right. Processor upgrades and internal specs have become trivial now for the mobile computation that is needed by consumers until our smartphones literally replace our desktops/laptops. I already mentioned this in a previous post.

    Smartphones the way they are today, it really comes down to OS choice now, and none of them are "bad."

    I prefer iOS for several reasons, and without getting into all of them, I'll point out the major ones:

    3rd party app support. The majority of apps are being developed for iOS and android, however, iOS has better integration because of far less fragmentation.

    Build quality - iPhones are always built top-notch. Not that there aren't other android phones that have great build quality (I'm looking at you, HTC One)

    Apple support and customer service - ill never forget how I broke my iPad by dropping it and how Apple replaces it for free without Apple Care even!

    Eco System - with the amount of money I already have invested into iOS it would be difficult for me to switch to another platform. I have bought nearly every popular app in the App Store! Probably over five thousand dollars in apps over the years!

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    They are less expensive and there are a large number of companies making them.

    I didn't argue there aren't differences between phones, I did argue there haven't been any revolutionary changes.

    There is one iphone and there are dozens of androids. If you really like having the weather on your launchscreen you buy a phone that does it. If you are trying to argue that is revolutionary than you are being downright foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon View Post
    Good marketing and an abundance of choice from the low end to the high.
    Did marketing make you buy an iPhone ?
    Didn't think so.
    Marketing raises credibility, word of mouth creates sales.

    Screensize is undoubtedly a greater factor than OS features, but the latter is also a significant determinant.

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