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03-09-2013, 10:15 PM #21
Sick people. Sick!!!! You can't even turn the damn thing off for 5 frikin minutes ???? Go find other fish to fry Mrs. Senator with lots if time on your hand trying to get your name out more.
03-09-2013, 10:39 PM #22
Yes I'm bringing this up because I mentioned that my bro-in-law flies for SW and uses his devices during the flight. The reason I did was to help others realize that even the Pilots use their devices, so there isn't anything to be worried about if the bill passes. Honestly I could care less if I have to turn my iPhone or iPad off for 10 min or so.
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03-09-2013, 10:43 PM #23
oh great, our government cant agree on anything, but omg tablets during takeoff lets pass a law. are you kidding me? its none of the governments business why airlines restrict the use of electronic devices, none whatsoever. it doesnt matter what study says what. let the system do the job. i can guarantee you that if enough consumers want it to change, and if they start conveying these feelings to the airlines, it will change! people hated new coke and it was off shelves. people hated the ford tarus being renamed it came back. just like that the big problem is that people dont want to sacrifice anymore to influence change. take the price of oil, 3.75 a gallon is outrageous. we have no supply problem. importing of foreign oil has gone down 40 percent since 2006 yet gas prices are as high as ever. this is insane, but people refuse to make an uproar about it. that should be the number one issue. thats what is really hurting american families, and they wont do anything about it, democrats or republicans. they just want to pass things like this so u can use your precious tablet during takeoff. lol gimme a break. i will say this, i was on a plane a few years ago maybe 3, and the flight attendant asked everyone to turn off our electronic devices. a few minutes passed, and then she announced that the captain had informed her that someone still had an electronic device on, and that we couldnt leave until it was off. 5 minutes passed until the cap called her back and said ok lets go. i dont know what happened, maybe he detected some electronic interference, maybe not, who knows? another thing is the recent decision to allow people to take small pocket knives on airplanes again. i mean this is crazy, during 9/11 the terrorists used box cutters and small pocket knives to hijack those planes, well lets allow the use of them again...great idea guys...
03-10-2013, 01:02 AM #24
There's two components to this: interference, and alertness.
Interference isn't really even an FAA issue, it's a FCC issue. Or more exactly, it's a cell tower issue. Your devices are not tested to be broadcasting signals high above the earth's surface. When you do, you cloud others' signals. There have been stories of cell towers going down because someone's cell phone was communicating with multiple towers simultaneously.
The second issue - alertness - is very critical. A plane poses almost no danger to its passengers unless it is moving at or near the ground. So do without your book or iPad for ten minutes and pay attention to what's happening around you.
P.S. I am a pilot. But i'm nowhere close to an airline pilot.
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03-10-2013, 05:31 AM #26
News today: a jumbo jet carrying 212 passengers smashed into the side of a mountain in Peru. Luckily, all of the passengers were wearing their seat belts!
03-10-2013, 10:25 PM #27
03-10-2013, 10:51 PM #28
Anyway, my issue (again) isn't about a phone/tablet crashing a jumbo jet; it's about paying attention and being alert for those 10-15 when the plane is actually under the pilot's control, and any bit of change in the weather, or birds, etc. can seriously alter that takeoff/landing. I guarantee those pilots aren't even on theirs during that time. If they're like our pilots, the iPads have replaced about 40lbs+ of flight manuals and docs. That's it.
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03-10-2013, 11:09 PM #29
How about this. Instead of putting the blame on Americans, look at the facts. Since 9/11 security has obviously been increased but has technology grown? Yes. Might there be other legitimate reasons to include electronics while takeoff, yes. And if you didn't know, Chicago is part of America.
03-11-2013, 12:38 AM #30
Putting blame on Americans? Your sensitivity aside, I'm not "blaming" us for the need (real or not) for these rules. You seem intent on trying to believe that's my point, which is fine. If they change the rules, then it's whatever. But until then, just follow the rules. My comments were toward the segment (in the original article I commented on over at CNET and AI) that said (in a nutshell) "They can't tell me what to do. That rule's stupid. I don't follow it." The "more" people fly, the more I expect them to know and adhere to these SIMPLE rules. Leave the devices off until cleared. Leave your seat upright until the ok is given. Fasten your safety belt - who CARES if it won't protect you in the event you fly into a mountain. Know the stuff you're allowed to have in your carry-ons, or how big your carry-on can be in the first place. Don't hold up the line and give the TSA a hard time because you "fly all the time" but choose to keep keys and pens and change in your pockets at the security checkpoints. That type of stuff.
Whether it hurts your feelings or not is irrelevant, but the fact remains that what I witness while flying is that this attitude (and toward 'rules' in general) is decidedly more American.
I don't get the Chicago comment...
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03-11-2013, 01:24 PM #31
He IS right about this being a more American issue. And I'm American. We are arrogant when it comes to what's a 'followable' rule.Here to help if I can. If I can't I know someone who can!
03-11-2013, 02:49 PM #32
I can't believe how people are hyper-ventilating over the government relaxing rules for device that do not pose a threat in the first place.
03-11-2013, 06:30 PM #33
03-12-2013, 09:41 AM #34
Since its clearly NOT a safety issue I'm not sure what the point of maintaining the current rule is. Some people's only argument is to say learn to wait 10 minutes - with no rebuttal for being stuck on the Tarmac for hours. If heightened awareness was so important during take-off, as some have suggested, why don't the same people answer as to why people are allowed to sleep during take-off (I do it)?
An airline like SW is never gonna just start allowing it "because the customers demanded it" because its not their rule its an FAA rule that they must abide. Hence lawmakers must get involved to protect our rights (and for once use common sense). Remember if it was up to the FAA everyone would get a rectal exam during security screening and it would be fine if left on the Tarmac for hours (regardless of bathroom conditions). Someone has to step in because customers have no leverage with FAA.
Some of you remind me of when car phones were first introduced. Many panicked and thought the roads would suddenly be too dangerous to drive. Maybe some have used it wrongly but for the most part technology has aided us greatly.