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03-07-2013, 01:45 PM #21
03-07-2013, 03:00 PM #22
On the topic at hand - I get pretty passionate because it ultimately has at its core - whether we think it's OKAY to STEAL from AT&T or not. As a person in the music biz professionally getting some part of my living from royalties I tend to find myself on the 'no stealing' side of issues like this.
Now - from both a logical and legal perspective - taking out all 'immature emotionality' from analysis of the topic - when you want to take your 'in contract, LEASED' phone overseas and use it - part of the reason you got the subsidized lower price on the phone allows for AT&T being able to charge you $1.29 minute for a call overseas -a nd $0.50 per text. It's called 'business'. If you want that ALL to disappear - it's VERY simple to make happen - perfectly legally. Simply pony up the $549, $649, $749 for the full retail phone. Easy. No contract - factory unlocked - save all the $ you want.
It's a very black and white issue to me when it comes to the in-contract unlock issue. And I don't like the idea of stealing anything. Hey -- maybe that's just me. But in these conversations the central issue ALWAYS gets lost in the emotion. There is only one real issue at hand..
Question: Do you own your phone?
Answer: No. You're leasing it if you paid the subsidized price and signed the new 2-year contract.
---Plain and simple. Unlocking during the lease period is 'getting over' on AT&T and 'stealing' from them when you're overseas using another SIM.
I know we now live in this world of 'shades of gray' and 'moral relativism' - but I still believe in the "rule of law". It separates barbaristic from civil societies.
Peace, my dear Twitchee,
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03-07-2013, 05:36 PM #23
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03-07-2013, 05:49 PM #24
I have a Verizon world phone. Subsidized and unlocked
03-07-2013, 08:38 PM #25
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03-07-2013, 09:04 PM #27
How do you figure we are "Leasing" the phone? All we are agreeing to is a 2 year contract of service, PERIOD. It doesn't matter how you use that line whether it be a laptop network card, iPad data service, iPhone service, or a simple $10/month for added line.
When you LEASE something, you turn it back in at the end if the lease.
03-07-2013, 10:07 PM #28
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03-08-2013, 12:17 AM #29
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03-09-2013, 01:19 AM #31
As far as this article goes, the only thing I disagree on is; they shouldnt have added DVD back ups. Piracy has been around forever, and ever since dvd burners have been around, you have always been able to find that guy at the corner store selling bootlegs. With things like digital copies, and companies like VUDU, thats all the back up you need.
03-09-2013, 07:49 AM #32
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03-09-2013, 09:36 AM #35
Did an ebay search to humor you:att imei unlock | eBay
Looks like there are still tons of people doing it on ebay too. May want to retract your 99%.
03-09-2013, 11:05 AM #36
Taken from: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_j...king#section_4
Jailbreaking an iPad (fully paid for) is not legal in United States. You can read about other countries on the wiki page.
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