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01-25-2013, 04:35 PM #61
Depends on how you mean that. I've spent a very long life voting for people I thought might have the best interests of the average citizen in mind, including putting my time and money where my heart is. Rather than voting for and supporting neanderthals and sycophants who offer only fear, poverty and war.
As Americans, we ARE our government, because we live in a country that is run by the people we elect. So all we can do is try to elect leaders who will take OUR needs into account rather than ONLY the needs of big money, big business, big oil and big war. To not do so is to give up. If you give up, you really have no say in the matter, because you have removed yourself from electoral politics. You are trusting to fate.
So, to respond to your statement, I hope I can help, with my vote, to elect the government that we all deserve. That cares about us, as a people. All of us, not just the rich and powerful people.Senior
01-25-2013, 04:46 PM #62
Thanks for this review on what is NOT HAPPENING in this country.
As for what is... Yeah... When you sign a contract for something you are agreeing to what's in the contract. If you don't agree, then don't sign the contract. Time to put on your 'big boy pants', kids, get yourself a little education and do a little reading of that cr@p before you sign it. Sheesh.
And if you don't understand it, you have essentially two choices: (a)don't sign it or (b) hire someone to explain it to you [lawyer]. If this is too much to ask, I'm guessing you've never purchased a home. And if you have, maybe you were smart enough to get one of those wonderful subprime mortgages wherein you verified your own income.
Come on, so-called 'Libertarians', 'Galt up or shut up.'
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01-25-2013, 06:18 PM #63
What if I hack my phone with a carrier that allows it then move to a carrier that doesn't allow it? I'd be stupid to do it, but all the same it could happen.
01-25-2013, 07:08 PM #64
Tell you what. Lower the cost on some of these dumb-phones and you can keep it locked. However, if I spend my hard earned money on a two, three, or four hundred dollar phone imma do what ever the f*&k I wanna do with it dipshit!! IMHO
01-25-2013, 08:32 PM #65
01-25-2013, 10:57 PM #66
01-25-2013, 11:59 PM #67
a contract by which one party conveys land, property, services, etc., to another for a specified time, usually in return for a periodic payment.
Note: "specified time." The implication is that a lease runs out, and the item is returned to the writer of the lease. As in leasing a car. Although you CAN pay a (large) fee and the car does become yours at the end of the lease. A mortgage does not operate in that manner. You pay it off and the house is yours. This is where I think the argument for the carriers falls apart: they don't require you to return the item at the end of the lease, and the phone does become yours. As I said, I'd like to see someone take this to court, as I don't think a fair hearing would result in favor of the carrier.Senior
01-26-2013, 12:24 AM #68
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01-26-2013, 10:19 AM #69
I understand the leasing term being used here but technically they say hey if you buy this phone and use OUR service for 2 years instead of paying full price we will discount it. Lets say 6 months down the line I want to unlock my phone because I just want a different one but still keep my service then it's MY phone. And I can sell it if I want. As long as I keep my 2 year contract in tact then it shouldn't matter what I do with MY phone.
01-26-2013, 11:04 AM #70
Say after six months you want a different phone. You buy (at an unsubsidized price) a new phone and have the service transferred to your new one. Is that what you are saying? Because yes, the old phone is yours, but now you are paying the unsub price for the new one to cover the cost of the old one. So you have the phone (both, actually), and I suppose you could get the old one unlocked and use it with a different carrier. Pricey way to do things.Senior
01-26-2013, 12:06 PM #71
01-26-2013, 01:21 PM #72
I think you would need to go to the carrier's store and buy another phone from it. At that point, it might be workable. Or the clerk might just say, too bad, you have to wait until the plan expires.
Keep in mind that I am not FOR the lease idea. I am explaining it. I think it's probably illegal on the face of it. However, if you pays your money, you takes your chances.
Buy an unlocked phone when you purchase it originally and Bob's your uncle. Otherwise, looks like they hold the cards at this point.Senior
01-26-2013, 01:36 PM #73
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01-26-2013, 04:19 PM #74
Story ays: "In October 2012, the Librarian of Congress, who determines exemptions to a strict anti-hacking law called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), decided that unlocking mobile phones would no longer be allowed. But the librarian provided a 90-day window during which people could still buy a phone and unlock it. That window closes on January 26."
Nothing there about the carrier unlocking it after your plan runs out. A 3rd party unlocker is not the carrier. That's the point of this whole thread.Senior
01-26-2013, 04:27 PM #75
01-26-2013, 04:49 PM #76
If that becomes the case, they would change it. But the cost of an unlocked phone is so high that I doubt many people go for it- at least not enough of them to matter to the carrier's bottom line.Senior
01-26-2013, 09:57 PM #77
You would think the head of something (The Library of Congress) dealing with something so modern wouldn't be 83 years old. :/
01-26-2013, 11:16 PM #78
If it was actually leased (by any definition of the term, legal or otherwise), you'd be obligated to return the product at a certain point in time, such as when leasing a car (you return it at the end of the term.) Furthermore, leasing requires a specific contract that BOTH parties have to be aware of and agree to, and not something you can just quietly hide in a wireless service contract, especially when you consider that the purchase of the device itself is ultimately between you and the maker, regardless of middlemen carriers or vendors. When you buy any iPhone from AT&T, Verizon, etc, it's Apple that's made a sale in the end.
A device such as an iPhone, Android phone, etc, falls into the latter category. Any one who tells you otherwise is ought right deceiving you, plain and simple. Not everyone on high it telling you the truth. No EULA (such as Apple's, Google's, etc) can just magically turn a purchase into a lease, either. Again, that requires a specific agreement. That phone is yours, period. Once it's paid for, it doesn't belong to your carrier/vendor, it doesn't belong to it's maker. It belongs to you alone.
01-27-2013, 12:43 AM #79
01-27-2013, 11:14 AM #80
This is not retro active, any phone purchased before the 26th can still be unlocked. and any phone purchased after the 26th can not unless it is by your carrier. some carriers like verizon are starting to sell their phone unlocked and have stated so publicly.