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06-21-2012, 10:15 AM #41
06-21-2012, 11:47 AM #42
WP7 users are getting updates. They will just lack the hardware-based features the WP8 will have. They're not calling the WP7 update "Windows 8" because if it doesn't have all the same features and capabilities, it's not the same OS. Look how Apple has made people completely forget that.
This is where you'll say "But WP8 apps won't run on WP7." No way around that, that f'n blows. But there are features on iOS 6 that *will* run on an iPad or iPhone 4 and Apple won't give them to you. And yes, you can run any iOS 6 app on a 3GS like you can a 4S but because of hardware, the experience will be different.
Apple and MS are saying the same thing. "Deal with it or upgrade." These are the same business models.
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06-21-2012, 12:13 PM #43
06-21-2012, 12:28 PM #44
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06-21-2012, 12:47 PM #45
06-21-2012, 12:51 PM #46
Poor WP7 phone owners, including people that bought their phones yesterday, won't be able to run new WP8 apps at all, ever. They are stuck with whatever apps are out there right now, which isn't all that many.
06-21-2012, 01:55 PM #47
Again when you purchase something you are agreeing to pay the current price for the current platform as it sits. Your not paying for the guarantee to get updates. If that was the case no one would ever buy a new car because their current car should get all of the latest stuff, right??? Ummm NO! So stop crying about updates geez.
06-21-2012, 02:04 PM #48
An interesting concept - do you work for MS? Most people have an expectation that something they buy will not be immediately obsolete. In the 90s computers were in about 6 months, but since then people have begun to expect a device to be supported for a bit longer than a couple of months.
You can argue that 7.8 means they have not dropped them and I can argue that the WinMo 6.1 phone I have just put my wife's usual SIM in while she tries a new carrier in her iPhone is still good enough.
It is. But good enough for what?
He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
06-21-2012, 02:11 PM #49
06-21-2012, 02:16 PM #50
Car analogies are a silly comparison. You don't need to update a car you bought this year to drive on roads they build next year.
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06-21-2012, 02:35 PM #51
iOS 6 is a huge disappointment...more useless fluff to add to my home screen like this ticket app that I probably can't remove without a jailbreak tweak.
06-21-2012, 02:44 PM #52
WP7, 7.5, 7.8, will NOT run WP8 apps. 100% incompatible. That means new apps and app updates won't work. Wipe the phone and need to reinstall apps? Well too bad if the app was updated for WP8.
06-21-2012, 02:46 PM #53
@Gnat Some aspects of WP8 would work on WP7 and are being implemented. Some flat out won't because of new hardware that new apps will be made to take advantage of. Different features, different capabilities = different OS. The WP7 phones are not being abandoned (at least not now), they are getting an update and nothing is stopping developers from still making apps for it. Is it a "major" update? No.
But neither is iOS6. The only major update iOS has had in 2 years is Cydia.
And Apple's not that bad? Really!?
MS: Buy a new phone if you want WP8 apps.
Apple: Buy a new phone if you want TURN BY TURN DIRECTIONS.
They're not "that bad", they're worse. Get serious.
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06-21-2012, 03:00 PM #54
06-21-2012, 03:02 PM #55
I upgraded to an iPhone 4 last year, because my original iPhone couldn't be upgraded past 3.1.3, and a great deal of apps out there require iOS4 or iOS5. Believe me, not being able to run new apps or take app updates at all is much worse than not having turn-by-turn directions. It'll be worse for WP7 users because they don't have as many apps in the first place, and the market share is smaller, so fewer developers will be motivated to stick with coding for an obsolete SDK.
This is the first time I've ever said anything negative about Microsoft. I swear by their desktop OS's.
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06-21-2012, 03:19 PM #56
Yes, I think that, because there is no good reason to omit the feature. Also because apps written for WP8 will be made to advantage of the new hardware as I've repeated. Some of these apps will be made the same for the phone AND Surface. Therefore, the apps wouldn't do well on current WP hardware. That's MS' reasoning. Was the timing horrible? Absolutely. Everything about the way MS presented this new hardware has been terrible.
Great, you can still install apps on a 3GS. But do you really think if I update or install an app on a 3GS, it's gonna be the same experience as on a 4S or iPad 3? No. And the app descriptions will tell you that. No one's making apps to run well on a 3GS. They could if they wanted to. Will devs stop making WP7 apps? Most likely. Scratch that, they will. But they could keep doing it if they wanted to.
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06-21-2012, 03:30 PM #57
Besides, you want turn-by-turn directions on your iPhone 3GS or 4, you could get TomTom or some other 3rd party app to do the same. At least you would be able to run said app!
06-21-2012, 03:47 PM #58
Depends on the app. Angry Birds or something similar would probably be the same, and if that's all you need, that's awesome. But an actual productive app like FourTrack or Beatmaker 2, that's gonna have major issues. You'll be able to "install" it, but "use" it, not so much.
MS' logic is that you could probably "install" 8 on a Lumia, but "using" it wouldn't be worth it. There's a specific way they want the software and hardware to interact and you just wouldn't get the experience that MS wants to sell. Then word would spread about how sluggish it is and they'd be condemned for even bothering. There was no win here for them. They f'd this up, no question, but they're gonna go ahead with a fresh start and they have to at the rate the technology is improving and the perception of computing is changing. What Apple does for fun, is what they're doing out of necessity.
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06-21-2012, 05:47 PM #59
06-24-2012, 11:15 AM #60
I'm rooting for MS to succeed with Surface though I expect them to screw it up like most things they do. One way to succeed is to emphasize quality, not quantity, in their app store. How to do this I don't know but if they chase numbers they'll never win that race.
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