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Originally Posted by ScooterComputer Sorry Anthony, you are wrong. During the last DMCA exemption process, Jailbreaking was exempted. Apple filed vociferously against an exemption. Since it -was- exempted, that would...
01-24-2012, 11:43 PM #21
01-24-2012, 11:59 PM #22
"and expand it to cover tablets" So jailbreaking my ipad 2 was illegal under current law? I hate how everything in the jailbreak community especially here has to be a constant battle with legality. Between piracy issues that we have to deal with and apple issues, it just makes me sick. Its pretty damn obvious piracy of media including music movies and apps is stealing and illegal. But I bought an iphone and I am the owner of it so I deserve the right to use it however I want as long as Im not stealing anything. We deserve the right to customize and extend the capabilities of our phones and tablets beyond what the manufacturer *ahem apple* allows us to do. It should not even come across as a legality issue. Do manufacturers have the right to void our warrenty and say it violates their "policies", sure. They have every right to deny warrenty coverage for modifications that can screw up our device. But you can always restore an iphone and if you choose to jailbreak without acknoleging the small but potential risks than your just being ignorant. The whole situation between sony and geohot was a disgrace. What the hell is putting OtherOS on your system really going to do anyways? Get some hobbyists to want a ps3 more. The hack clearly implemented ANTI piracy features so thats not even an argument. I think that companys like microsoft and palm (hp) and even google to some extent need to be congratulated on not acting like children (apple + sony) and actually encouraging communities like ours to thrive and make cool stuff. I mean look at kinect- it has so much potential to do crazy cool stuff no one would have thought of until some hackers decided to make some crazy hacks and now microsoft is encourging it, opened the source and is making a (way overpriced) kinect for windows.
Its groups like EFF that I truely admire that seek to protect the internet and promote fairness in a just and righteous manner. The Best part about the EFF is because in situations like these they go for petitions and legal actions rather than returning childish behavior with more childish behavior like Anonymous does by attacking the government and hacking them rather than peaceful and just protest to protect the internet.
01-25-2012, 03:03 AM #23
no JB no iphone for me!!!!! samsung or htc on android
01-25-2012, 04:22 AM #24
I have no problem with Jailbreakers, (I personally am not one), but when you buy an iDevice do you not agree to some software license terms before you part with your money?
If you don't like it don't buy, but don't buy it and then complain later that it's unfair. If it's illegal fine deal with it. If it is truly that much of an issue people will vote with thier feet/wallets.
I bet 99% of the people here didn't read the Ts&Cs before signing up.
01-25-2012, 04:25 AM #25
I wonder if the jb devs somehow managed to completely get rid of piracy, ie cracked cydia apps and **********, that apple may embrace jailbreaking? because they'd be losing no money to app hosted by dissident. I heard sometime last year, that saurik was going to block sources of illegal activity..it'd be nice to see some help from apple! maybe not direct help, but stop making it harder to hack the devices! an iPhone without a jb to me is something that I'm not gonna buy. it's too plain, too useless
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01-25-2012, 04:40 AM #26
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01-25-2012, 06:20 AM #27
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01-25-2012, 07:55 AM #29
I agree that JBing a device should not be illegal, but apple is known for being proprietary so it wouldn't surprise me at all if there's something in the user agreement about it.
01-25-2012, 08:36 AM #30If you think Im serious, thats funny.
01-25-2012, 09:45 AM #31
01-25-2012, 10:18 AM #32
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I'm not quite sure where you bought your iDevice, but I've purchased 3 iPhones and have never agreed to anything before I "parted with my money." Matter of fact, when you set up an iDevice for the first time, you still DO NOT agree to anything. Maybe you're thinking about iTunes, but in the iDevice case, you are terribly wrong. I can see where you could possibly be coming from because the factory iPhone and like iDevices are great. However, once an iDevice is jailbroken, it can be used to it's fullest potential, not a small portion a.k.a sandbox.
In other words, it it's like giving you a Windows computer but you're stuck with only the desktop and some preloaded applications. You can add on applications but you can't really customize/personalize that computer the way you want. You are also stuck with the security flaws and issues that windows dropped the ball on. And lastly, you can't just go on to the internet and get applications that Windows doesn't approve for their computer.
A jailbreaker doesn't conform to playing in a sandbox. A jailbreaker escapes that sandbox and plays freely with all their new friends a.k.a developers. And finally, if there wasn't a jailbreak community, Apple wouldn't have "came up" with some of the best features of the past iOS (ex. Notification Center, SB Wallpaper, etc, etc).
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01-25-2012, 11:38 AM #33
Remember you may own the hardware that it comes on but you License, not own the software. You can be as ridiculous and pig headed as you like but that's the truth.
Again, I'm not against it. Do it if you like but can you really claim you've been hard done by if it goes sour?
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01-25-2012, 11:46 AM #34
Hmm, can only help if you live in the US...
Well good luck!
01-25-2012, 11:56 AM #35
dang right i did it! go jailbreak community!
01-25-2012, 12:30 PM #36
Haven't we been through this before? They're our devices that we paid for, let us do what we want. Case closed. :P
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01-25-2012, 12:49 PM #37
Many thanks for posting this Phillip!!! Please everybody - contact the US copyright office and let them know why we need to jailbreak!
BTW, estimates show around 10% of iPhones are jailbroken, but it varies by demographic (some estimates put the US at a little less than 10%, but China's jailbroken iPhone population is apparently around 35%). If Apple completely eliminates jailbreaking (iPhone 5 might be a tough nut to crack) I don't expect Apple will feel the pinch right away because a lot of people will still buy the upgraded hardware expecting that a jailbreak will eventually materialise. However, if the jailbreak doesn't ever happen, Apple is eventually going to lose more market share to Android. It's obvious and Apple knows this. There was a reason why we got an unencrypted fs in the 9A406 5.0.1 update. Deep down inside, Apple would still like to exploit the work of jailbreak developers so that they have something shiny and new to show off in iOS 6.0...
01-25-2012, 12:52 PM #38
01-25-2012, 01:57 PM #39
Anyone want to draft up some comments we can submit together?
01-25-2012, 02:16 PM #40