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01-22-2012, 10:40 AM #21
Finally a good issue to talk about, how many Iphone have been sold until now and you americanīs including us foreigner supporting Chinese jobs employees gov. tax instead to this money stay inside of US.
for me this is shame!!! this Chinese companies donīt care about the employees they want only money.
why you Americanīs donīt ask Apple about this?
01-22-2012, 11:08 AM #22
oy! Why doesn't anybody get it. This isn't about $65. It's not about buying american-made products. This isn't about tariffs either. It's a complete structural issue. Read my other post for an elboration. More importantly, read the dang article.
For once, something deep and thoughtful was written about this situation and still we're watering it down into digestible, false narratives.
People just don't read anything that's longer than five sentences anymore.
01-22-2012, 11:12 AM #23
I wish it were that easy. One of the great things about USA is that we have the freedom to do things like this. It's called a free country and capitalism and as bad as it seems sometimes I still believe it's better than the other options. I've worked and lived in many countries around the world and prefer this to living in countries for example like Saudi Arabia where you can't even speak freely for fear of going to jail or getting beheaded or Germany where you pay almost 50% of your salary in taxes, etc...
So even though I've been the #1 critic of Apple for taking their production to China where there is current day slavery with workers, I still believe I'll take that over not being free in the USA.
01-22-2012, 12:01 PM #24
As another poster said about working in a Chinese factory, I did indeed do that for about 13 months. Part of my learning about the factories over there was living with the Chinese people, working with them and getting paid the same as them ($US160/month at the time). This wasn't an American operated factory, it was operated by Taiwanese housing 14,000 people when I was there making textiles. The first months were tough, but I gradually got used to it and the money goes a lot further in China than poeple think. Tehre were days where I would work over 12 hours a day for 7 days a week. Of course I only spent a portion of my time on the production line. I saw how things run from a purely Chinese perspective, I was amde away aware of the red envelopes passed around, the quid pro quo of personal relationships.
From reading comemtns on modmyi and various other sites and blogs it is blatantly obvious the vast majority of people have no idea what they're talking about when discussing manufacturing and labour issues in China.
FYI I am an anglo saxon American raised in an upper middle class family.
01-22-2012, 12:18 PM #25
01-22-2012, 12:59 PM #26
I hope you find a Job soon, thanks to Obama you've gotten multiple unemployment extensions so remember that when you go to the polls.
01-22-2012, 01:46 PM #27
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01-22-2012, 03:53 PM #30
yeah dam that factory worker is hot
oh btw if u dont like it dont buy an iphone simple as that.......
i mean thats the only way to have ure voice heard it makes no sense to say oh man this is terrible!! then be like oh yeah baby can't wait for the iphone 5 lol
oh yeah im so sorry for my grammer mistakes commas periods whatever if this offends anyone then i apoligize lol gimme a break im textin on a phone bro who gives a ****
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01-22-2012, 04:33 PM #31
Oh well that's what America has to offer the world. We're at the bottom of the barrel in education and they don't care as long as they have their shiny objects to play with. I'm hungry, could you please stop texting and take my order?
01-22-2012, 05:20 PM #32
01-22-2012, 05:38 PM #33
You can be a space shuttle pilot and make $1,000,000 a year for all I know and my comment still holds true. If this is how much pride you have in how you spell I can just imagine any reports you have to fill out, then again you don't even need a GED to operate a boat.
Don't worry it's not your fault it's the education system who failed you. You also are now alone. Look how much money most NBA basketball players that barely passed high school make and they don't know how to spell either.
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01-22-2012, 05:46 PM #34
Is this better? Is this what you want? Are you kidding me? Does this make you feel better? The company I work for requires me to have at the very least a GED. What's wrong with the educational system? I guess I just fixed it...
but anyways im just uneducated oh well
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01-22-2012, 07:04 PM #35
It's not what I want. I could care less how you portray yourself. I take pride in how I present myself everywhere I go and with everything I write. Not everybody is the same. Be happy.
01-22-2012, 07:14 PM #36
"You can only attain Peace through spreading Love to create Unity and earn the Respect of others" - Complex Simplicity
01-22-2012, 10:24 PM #37
I don't feel sorry for anyone in this thread blaming anyone but themselves for being out of work. There are TONS of jobs out there, you just need to swallow your pride and take them. Americans have a bloated sense of self worth that needs to be knocked down a notch. An assembly line worker is not a middle class job, that is unskilled labor and should be paid as such. Look at the US auto industry vs the Japanese. Up until recently, which was of higher quality. I can assure you is was the car being made for $10 an hour and not $40 an hour plus benefits.
We also need to nix these government handouts for the unemployed. If you can't find a job after 6 months, why should the rest of the country carry you?
01-22-2012, 10:39 PM #38
01-22-2012, 10:50 PM #39
Of course it's more than $65, that was simply a statement regarding the increased cost of labor. The added cost of shipping components to the U.S. instead of across town from another Chinese supplier, production scale, speed, skill, and thousands of other factors come into play. Honestly, the complicated supply chain logic it takes to make all of this work is freakin amazing, even if it is unethical by American standards.
Production of this size and scale could never be possible in America. Our economy and country (as well as other first world countries) have entered a third technological revolution (started with the advent of the internet in the 70s). The previous two technological revolutions in the last 200 years (first and second industrial revolution) involved creating and distributing energy. These were high-cost, high-investment revolutions where those with the means controlled the future. The new technological revolution is completely knowledge and information based (hence the current and growing IP war). This modular, incredibly fast moving revolution dumbfounds and confuses those in power because they're still perpetuating the business models of the previous techno-revolution. This is why the record labels, music studios, newspapers failed to utilize the internet and it is why those in power will ultimately crash and burn. Technology will increase faster than they can adapt and the people will know and see solutions, bring them to market, and once and for all make the old money power brokers obsolete.
Third world countries will eventually emerge from their J-curve (when a poor population starts moving up the income ladder) and as their working poor revolt because they want the things their first-world counterparts want, the production scales will be thrown into flux. There is a reason China is manipulating their currency, and trying to slow growth and spending money they don't have to build cities no one uses.
You were right the situation is incredibly complicated.
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01-23-2012, 03:32 AM #40