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Originally Posted by Jay316 Really? THAT'S what they've been focusing on, the time it takes to jailbreak? I wouldn't care if it took 5 minutes as long as it was
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay316 View Post
    Really? THAT'S what they've been focusing on, the time it takes to jailbreak? I wouldn't care if it took 5 minutes as long as it was untethered
    How much are you going to pay them? Be grateful they are doing this for free and they really don't have to do it.

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    If I jailbreak tethered now, when an untethered jailbreak comes out will I be able to get the untethered jailbreak without restoring first?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay316 View Post
    Really? THAT'S what they've been focusing on, the time it takes to jailbreak? I wouldn't care if it took 5 minutes as long as it was untethered
    Well at least theres improvement..why dont u learn and make ur own jailbreak and stop complaining!!

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    Sorry but this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard. I can't believe anyone felt this was important. What's next? Reducing the graphical dimensions of the application so it takes up less room on your computer's screen? You may be able to be more productive during that 80 seconds by running other apps.

    Quote Originally Posted by d_animality View Post
    Well at least theres improvement..why dont u learn and make ur own jailbreak and stop complaining!!
    That's not improvement. This is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. You still have to spend the time to perform this step.
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    How much are you going to pay them? Be grateful they are doing this for free and they really don't have to do it.

    Thanks Dev Team. Take your time, I can wait, you all got a life too.
    Sorry, but that just doesn't work anymore. A few years back, when it was all small and uncommercial, yes. But now? no.

    If the Dev-Team really are making NOTHING from Jailbreaking, then that's the problem. When the supply and distribution of Cydia apps is big business, the Dev-Team needs to be commercial.

    But do they make nothing? I seriously doubt it. They don't ask for donations. JBing is free for the user, but if they haven't negotiated a commission from the revenue generated by Cydia, they are, whist damn clever at JB, terrible at business. If they are doing it for free, the entire JB community needs to take stock and work out someway to finance the DevTeam, or anyone else who can JB devices, cus without it, there is no JB business.

    I think either an untethered JB doesn't exist, or they're waiting for 5.x.x to come out to show their hand. Given the race by the app dev's to make their apps 5 compatible you have to assume they know something we don't, that an untethered JB is soon to be a reality, unless the app devs really are terrible business people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exNavy View Post
    That's not improvement. This is akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. You still have to spend the time to perform this step.
    Sorry Mister exNavy,
    but seriously.

    if you were onboard the Titanic, and they moved your deck chair from all the way forward
    to a spot right next to the lifeboats, how ridiculous would that be?
    ___

    or vice versa. Giving the users a little more control over the sequence of steps in the Jailbreak process may not benefit the majority of users, but it doesn't hurt them either. For some people, it actually might help. Especially since 'relocation of apps to /var/stash' is one of the means Apple has used to DETECT JAILBREAKS and modify its own behavior in the past.

    Its not the few extra seconds saved that's the big deal here. The big deal is that devs and ninjas can use this to debug and test things that are broken or otherwise don't work under 5.0, with a JB environment that's cleaner and closer to stock. For the people that are working to make 5.0 more functional on Jailbroken devices, its a great option.

    If you don't know what the b in 0.9.9b7 means....

    IT MEANS REDSN0W ISN'T READY YET.
    GO BACK TO YOUR NON-JAILBROKEN 5.0 OR JAILBROKEN 4.3.3


    Quote Originally Posted by baskie View Post
    Sorry, but that just doesn't work anymore. A few years back, when it was all small and uncommercial, yes. But now? no.
    wow, fail.

    If the Dev-Team really are making NOTHING from Jailbreaking, then that's the problem. When the supply and distribution of Cydia apps is big business, the Dev-Team needs to be commercial.
    Seriously, do you follow the history of any of this?
    Cydia itself is a commercial enterprise. Cydia store is operated by Saurik (and probably a few employees, I don't know the details) they make profit, partly to give them a full-time salary so they can continue to develop new useful code for the JB community. Partly so they have some largesse that they can give back (e.g. Saurik buying the "jailbreakme.com" domain from the jerks who nabbed it a few months ago.

    Cydia went from non-commercial to commercial exactly at the point when it became big and cumbersome enough to matter. Cydia is a trade activity that competes with Apple, but doesn't directly run up against US Copyright law and other legal structures most of the time, so they can afford not to have dozens of high-paid lawyers on their staff.

    Dev-Team on the other hand...

    But do they make nothing? I seriously doubt it. They don't ask for donations. JBing is free for the user, but if they haven't negotiated a commission from the revenue generated by Cydia, they are, whist damn clever at JB, terrible at business. If they are doing it for free, the entire JB community needs to take stock and work out someway to finance the DevTeam, or anyone else who can JB devices, cus without it, there is no JB business.
    Dev-Team is an organization whose main activities are flouting the DMCA. They get by on an exception that the US Library of Congress put through- but without that they would be breaking the law. If they went commercial, the chances of keeping the exemption would be.... in the long run, nil.

    Most of them have steady jobs doing other computer-related things. Some of them work part-time. A few have been pulled in by Apple and are effectively lost to the JB community. Going from a "donation" model to fully commercial would put them squarely in the sights of Apple's lawyers and they'd all get wiped out in a heartbeat.

    finis.
    I think either an untethered JB doesn't exist, or they're waiting for 5.x.x to come out to show their hand. Given the race by the app dev's to make their apps 5 compatible you have to assume they know something we don't, that an untethered JB is soon to be a reality, unless the app devs really are terrible business people.
    Do you know why it's so slow right now? Why the untether for 4.3.5+ / 5.0 / 4s is taking so long?
    • because there are fewer people left who are actively hacking. Some have gotten bored, others hired by Apple, others attacked by Sony, others burnt out
    • Apple has learned from past Jailbreaks, and have cleaned up many of the coding errors that allowed these to happen. It's harder to find a new exploit than it ever was before
    • Devs are being very careful with the few tricks they have left. Premature leaking almost DESTROYED the last big exploit, that was used in JBM 3.0. It would be a shame if they lost the next one as well.
    But the biggest reason is
    • Because you are impatient. There are more Jailbroken users than ever before, and they are more spoiled than ever before. Some exploits took months to figure out in the past. Sometimes it was months before a tethered JB came available and many more before an untether happened.

    Throwing money into the ring wouldn't help at all. Not at all.

    But if you really want to try, hit up the guys who sell "fastra1n" (google it). It's a jailbreak they claim will untether 5.0 on almost any device. They've been hawking it for months, and apparently making a few bucks off it. Also, it's a fake, doesn't work, and could load malware onto your PC. But they're happy to take your money, so maybe you should go for it anyway.
    Last edited by raduga; 10-21-2011 at 08:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oostfeld View Post
    if they r smart they should hold of on releasing the untethered jailbreak, right now people are reporting on all kind of bugs on 5.0 firmware so you know that soon Apple will release an upgrade like 5.1, That's when the untethered jailbreak should come out not before.
    The minor updates from now on shouldn't require a total reinstall of iOS anymore and therefore shouldn't effect the jailbreak. I hope they have a 4S jailbreak soon because I have one waiting to be activated. I'd also like to update my iPad 2 to iOS 5 and jailbreak it again.

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    thanks Dev Team.

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    Dangit I saw this and so thought it was info on a untethered jailbreak. Ohh well I'll keep checking every few hours. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by raduga View Post
    Sorry Mister exNavy,
    but seriously.

    if you were onboard the Titanic, and they moved your deck chair from all the way forward
    to a spot right next to the lifeboats, how ridiculous would that be?
    ___

    or vice versa. Giving the users a little more control over the sequence of steps in the Jailbreak process may not benefit the majority of users, but it doesn't hurt them either. For some people, it actually might help. Especially since 'relocation of apps to /var/stash' is one of the means Apple has used to DETECT JAILBREAKS and modify its own behavior in the past.

    Its not the few extra seconds saved that's the big deal here. The big deal is that devs and ninjas can use this to debug and test things that are broken or otherwise don't work under 5.0, with a JB environment that's cleaner and closer to stock. For the people that are working to make 5.0 more functional on Jailbroken devices, its a great option.

    If you don't know what the b in 0.9.9b7 means....

    IT MEANS REDSN0W ISN'T READY YET.
    GO BACK TO YOUR NON-JAILBROKEN 5.0 OR JAILBROKEN 4.3.3



    wow, fail.



    Seriously, do you follow the history of any of this?
    Cydia itself is a commercial enterprise. Cydia store is operated by Saurik (and probably a few employees, I don't know the details) they make profit, partly to give them a full-time salary so they can continue to develop new useful code for the JB community. Partly so they have some largesse that they can give back (e.g. Saurik buying the "jailbreakme.com" domain from the jerks who nabbed it a few months ago.

    Cydia went from non-commercial to commercial exactly at the point when it became big and cumbersome enough to matter. Cydia is a trade activity that competes with Apple, but doesn't directly run up against US Copyright law and other legal structures most of the time, so they can afford not to have dozens of high-paid lawyers on their staff.

    Dev-Team on the other hand...


    Dev-Team is an organization whose main activities are flouting the DMCA. They get by on an exception that the US Library of Congress put through- but without that they would be breaking the law. If they went commercial, the chances of keeping the exemption would be.... in the long run, nil.

    Most of them have steady jobs doing other computer-related things. Some of them work part-time. A few have been pulled in by Apple and are effectively lost to the JB community. Going from a "donation" model to fully commercial would put them squarely in the sights of Apple's lawyers and they'd all get wiped out in a heartbeat.

    finis.


    Do you know why it's so slow right now? Why the untether for 4.3.5+ / 5.0 / 4s is taking so long?
    • because there are fewer people left who are actively hacking. Some have gotten bored, others hired by Apple, others attacked by Sony, others burnt out
    • Apple has learned from past Jailbreaks, and have cleaned up many of the coding errors that allowed these to happen. It's harder to find a new exploit than it ever was before
    • Devs are being very careful with the few tricks they have left. Premature leaking almost DESTROYED the last big exploit, that was used in JBM 3.0. It would be a shame if they lost the next one as well.
    But the biggest reason is
    • Because you are impatient. There are more Jailbroken users than ever before, and they are more spoiled than ever before. Some exploits took months to figure out in the past. Sometimes it was months before a tethered JB came available and many more before an untether happened.

    Throwing money into the ring wouldn't help at all. Not at all.

    But if you really want to try, hit up the guys who sell "fastra1n" (google it). It's a jailbreak they claim will untether 5.0 on almost any device. They've been hawking it for months, and apparently making a few bucks off it. Also, it's a fake, doesn't work, and could load malware onto your PC. But they're happy to take your money, so maybe you should go for it anyway.

    Yep, I know all that, but hey, thanks for the re-run. I've been JBing since you could, also keep up to speed with most issues. Your post is largely pointless though, or if it has a point, I've missed it. Yes, Cydia is a commercal operation, that requires JB'd devices to exist, hence my comment about a kick back from it's revenue going to the devs, cus without them, Cydia ceases to have a customer base.

    The only thing I'll comment back on specifically is the "Because you are impatient" comment. I'm not. I've not once tried to hurry up the devs for an untethered. I'll not be using 5 until we're well into the bug fix releases, 5.0.3 onwards I suspect. What I am doing to pointing out the flaw is the system as it presently exists.

    Oh, and one other thing:
    Throwing money into the ring wouldn't help at all. Not at all.
    Wrong. When there is a ready and eager customer base, who would happily pay for something, throwing money to develop the thing they want ALWAYS helps. Always. That's not an opinion, but the simple economics of consumerism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay316 View Post
    Really? THAT'S what they've been focusing on, the time it takes to jailbreak? I wouldn't care if it took 5 minutes as long as it was untethered
    I'm sorry, could you put the link up for the Jailbreaking tool you created?

    EDIT: did not see there was a page two. Raduga hit the nail on the freaking head. How would throwing money into the equation make a difference? Easy, a case for Apple- they will have more reason to dig around the Dev Team and try to put them out of business.

    The real point, mr exnavy, is that they don't work for you. They don't owe you a dang thing, they don't owe the community anything. The fact that they won't show their hand shows that they understand that 5.0.1 (or whatever it will be called) is right around the corner, and also that the delta updates may close the exploit(s) they had used and reverse the jailbreak. The fact is since OTA updates are brand new in 5.0, we don't know what they are going to do. This probably was factored into their decision as well. Before people go around whining about how they need to release the untether, perhaps they should use their brain- We are indebted to them, not vice versa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ipodtouchman77 View Post
    If I jailbreak tethered now, when an untethered jailbreak comes out will I be able to get the untethered jailbreak without restoring first?
    no most likely all you will have to do is re run redsn0w and uncheck install cydia...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluemoldycheeze88 View Post
    I can't wait for a unthetered Jailbreak and Siri on the i4.
    im dyin for siri on my ip4.. and its so close the untether i dont mind waiting for..

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    It would be cool for OTA jailbreak and select tethered or untethered. Which firmware ect. Would be awesome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colby21 View Post
    i still can't JB my old bootrom 3gs. can somebody help? PM me.

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    Good job!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusUK2 View Post
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    Gahfreggindangit! Everytime they report on a new version, I get all giddy Hoping it'll break the 4S untethered. LOL!
    Me too! It's all good news, but it does bring a sense of excitement and then letdown. Part of the fun I guess.

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    So with this new JB am I reading that we ARE supposed to reinstall Cydia even if we are just upgrading the JB?

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