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    Default Siri Ported to iPhone 4 and iPod 4G with Apple Connectivity - The True Story


    Note: A lot of this story is full of he said she said between two writers on two sites that have some personal issues. The owners of ModMyi feel that their personal issues should have been dealt with privately. We failed to notice the issues before this was published which was a mistake. If you read between the lines of everything this is the summary of the Siri port for non-iPhone 4s:

    The current state of the port is exactly what the previous state of the port (as reported here on modmyi) was, except that the server issue was worked around and a video was shown of it working. There is no way to do this legally at this time and all the files and instructions on the internet you'll find for enabling Siri on your older port are NOT current and will not give you a real Siri. We will of course post more on the subject if at some point it becomes possible to enable Siri legally on older devices and the developers that have been working on this decide to release publicly.

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    There's a lot of confusion in regards to Siri being ported with Apple connectivity. Here's the truth.

    Over the past few weeks, there has been a lot of news of Siri being ported to older devices floating around the internet. There have been numerous people who have been able to transfer the Siri files onto their older devices, however the main issue was getting Siri to connect to Apple's servers. Without Apple connectivity you're unable to utilize Siri whatsoever, making it just a useless component to your non-iPhone 4S device. A few developers such as Steven Troughton-Smith and Jack (Jackoplane) have been working constantly to hack Apple's code in order to get Apple connectivity. It's been a rigorous task as performance as well as connectivity need to work hand in hand.

    During the past week, there has been a lot of confusion in regards to the status and the people involved with the Siri port. Information has been misconstrued or even wrong in some areas. Here's the truth and full story:

    Originally, Jack was the first person to be able to get any non-iPhone 4S device to connect to Apple's servers. This was done using his own private DNS server. When knowledge of this was publicly known, the only people who were able see it live and working was myself and Alex Heath of iDownloadBlog. There are a few other prominent players in the jailbreak community that saw this in action as well but requested to remain anonymous. Since the beginning of Jack's involvement with Siri, I have been his primary beta tester. Alex and I hand in hand served as mediums for communicating what was going on to the best of our ability to those not in the loop.

    The server captured data going to and from the device and Apple's server and his device and changed values accordingly. This spoofing technique proved as a viable option, but after a ton of testing, a lot of issues came up. The method was cumbersome and didn't fit the profile for distribution purposes. It would require a lot of maintenance as well as funds to uphold a DNS server that could support a ton of traffic. Jack shelved the DNS idea and resorted to having to hack the actual files in order to get Siri to work with Apple's servers via the device. At this point in the scenario, Jack reached out to 5+ developers in the jailbreak community to start the process of getting Siri packaged and working 100%. Steven Troughton-Smith and previously spotlighted people in the Siri scene had been very quiet at this point and was making no indications of further developments with regards to Siri.

    While working with developers, Jack's main goal was to ensure that the port worked 100% and that it would mesh well with the jailbreak environment (i.e. Mobile Substrate). Since a jailbreak is required to use Siri on any device other than the iPhone 4S, it was key that Siri was optimized for the jailbreak environment. Days were spent packaging dylibs and other files to get it package ready for a possible release.

    In the mean time, Steven didn't make any statements saying that he was still involved publicly, however behind the scenes, he was very much active. As of tonight, Steven was able to get in touch with Grant Paul (chpwn) who has access to a jailbroken iPhone 4S, courtesy of the iPhone Dev-Team. While Steve and Grant were spending time with one another, they were able to get the key chain files they needed from the jailbroken iPhone 4S and simply copy and paste the files onto their respective non-iPhone 4S devices. This process proved successful and allowed them to use Siri on their devices with Apple connectivity.

    Below are videos of an iPhone 4S and iPod touch 4G demoing Siri with Apple connectivity:





    After all this, one might be quick to judge Jack and call him a liar or someone that has stolen files from the other parties involved. This is not the case and anyone that has publicly stated that this was the truth is incorrect. There were a lot of reasons and drama-related issues that kept Jack from demoing Siri weeks ago.

    There have been a lot of people involved with the port as well as those who've had full knowledge of what has been happening. Those people include myself and Alex Heath as mentioned earlier, iH8sn0w, and a few others. The past few weeks have been like walking through a room of egg shells. Information that was crucial to its progress were needed to be concealed as well as the methods behind doing so as well.

    According to Steven in his interview with 9to5Mac, they will not be releasing this hack to the public. This is due to the immense about of piracy required to get the port working as it is. If there is a method by which to port Siri without infringing on Apple (and getting sued) Siri will be publicly available. Until a method is found to work around the piracy issue, there is no ETA for a release of this Siri hack.

    So when it all boils down, the current state of the port is just a publicity stunt.
    The whole ordeal with this information airing on 9to5Mac in the way it has been has caused a lot of frustration and drama in the community between all of us, including Jack. Updates on the progress of this whole situation will be revealed as it hits the wild. Jack, Alex, and I are not here to discredit Steven and Grant's accomplishment with Siri. It's quite exciting, however there is much more going on behind the scenes than people know about currently.

    Stay tuned.

    Source(s): 9to5Mac
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    After the iPhone 4S JailBreak comes out just leak the How-To Guide and let everyone that wants it do all the work. Long as you don't provide the files that are considered piracy your in the clear. So problem solved now they should work more on the iPhone 4S JailBreak since they can release that. Keep up the good work guys.

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    ***... I wanted Siri on my iPhone 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoldierRican View Post
    After the iPhone 4S JailBreak comes out just leak the How-To Guide and let everyone that wants it do all the work. Long as you don't provide the files that are considered piracy your in the clear. So problem solved now they should work more on the iPhone 4S JailBreak since they can release that. Keep up the good work guys.
    Giving someone the guide is as much crime as its releasing the whole package? Maybe not as much, but its illegal. Im sure some unknown dev figures this out and releases it to the public.

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    Ummm…ok. This is NOT the story TMZ's been reporting.

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    I don't get this issue over legality considering we've had jailbroken phones for years. In fact, if Siri works as good on the earlier devices as the video seems to indicate, Apple wouldn't be suing. They'd be having to do a press conference like theydid with antennagate to answer charges of fraud and misrepresentation. They're selling the 4S and it's vaunted Siri capability under the premise that the new hardware is needed to support it. If it turns out the only constraint is a marketing decision with a software lock, Cook and co. have some serious explaining to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbyrn View Post
    I don't get this issue over legality considering we've had jailbroken phones for years. In fact, if Siri works as good on the earlier devices as the video seems to indicate, Apple wouldn't be suing. They'd be having to do a press conference like theydid with antennagate to answer charges of fraud and misrepresentation. They're selling the 4S and it's vaunted Siri capability under the premise that the new hardware is needed to support it. If it turns out the only constraint is a marketing decision with a software lock, Cook and co. have some serious explaining to do.
    Apple reserve the rights to modify their software as they please which includes restricting certain features for whatever reasons. We as consumers can only complain, but it's still Apple's sole decision to make Siri available on the iPhone 4 or not. They do not need to explain anything, unless it's a security, bugs, or anything serious that may drastically affect user experience. Anyways thank god there is jailbreak, but I hope Siri never see the light of day in the iPhone 4 because the network is already bad with just 4S users.
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    Mark, the legality isn't connected to jailbreaking idevices, it's with porting Siri to non supported iDevices. The jailbreak community can't support blatantly stealing software like that without losing it's legitimacy. Plus we don't know for sure what the reason behind Apple not putting siri on all iOS 5 devices and it's unlikely that it would create much drama even if it's just because they wanted people to buy iPhone 4S's. That seems pretty transparent to me but maybe Apple is just holding Siri back while it's in beta. It still has many quirks after all.

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    Looks like the Apple jailbreak scene is turning in to the PS3 jailbreak scene. Not releasing things but showing a lot of videos.Grow some balls devs and release what you go on about or STFU!If your not going to release it when WHY tell is about it? We want Siri on the iPhone 4 so if you can do it then release it. If you cant then dont tell us as we dont care. If you wont release it then **** ***.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
    Looks like the Apple jailbreak scene is turning in to the PS3 jailbreak scene. Not releasing things but showing a lot of videos.Grow some balls devs and release what you go on about or STFU!If your not going to release it when WHY tell is about it? We want Siri on the iPhone 4 so if you can do it then release it. If you cant then dont tell us as we dont care. If you wont release it then **** ***.
    I completely agree with you.

    What's the point in showing off some **** which ain't yet released for others to try?
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    There's a lot of confusion in regards to Siri being ported with Apple connectivity. Here's the truth.
    As with most of these 'discussions' there is more than one version of the 'truth' - the Siri story is, at least, a welcome distraction from more important IRC disputes!

    Quote Originally Posted by ravelsnip View Post
    I completely agree with you.

    What's the point in showing off some **** which ain't yet released for others to try?
    Some people are actually interested in the technological challenges and are not just after getting things fo free regardless of the legality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedFaerie View Post
    Looks like the Apple jailbreak scene is turning in to the PS3 jailbreak scene. Not releasing things but showing a lot of videos.Grow some balls devs and release what you go on about or STFU!If your not going to release it when WHY tell is about it? We want Siri on the iPhone 4 so if you can do it then release it. If you cant then dont tell us as we dont care. If you wont release it then piss off.
    I agree 100% ...

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    There's a lot of confusion in regards to Siri being ported with Apple connectivity. Here's the truth.

    Over the past few weeks, there has been a lot of news of Siri being ported to older devices floating around the internet. There have been numerous people who have been able to transfer the Siri files onto their older devices, however the main issue was getting Siri to connect to Apple's servers. Without Apple connectivity you're unable to utilize Siri whatsoever, making it just a useless component to your non-iPhone 4S device. A few developers such as Steven Troughton-Smith and Jack (Jackoplane) have been working constantly to hack Apple's code in order to get Apple connectivity. It's been a rigorous task as performance as well as connectivity need to work hand in hand.

    During the past week, there has been a lot of confusion in regards to the status and the people involved with the Siri port. Information has been misconstrued or even wrong in some areas. Here's the truth and full story:

    Originally, Jack was the first person to be able to get any non-iPhone 4S device to connect to Apple's servers. This was done using his own private DNS server. When knowledge of this was publicly known, the only people who were able see it live and working was myself and Alex Heath of iDownloadBlog. There are a few other prominent players in the jailbreak community that saw this in action as well but requested to remain anonymous. Since the beginning of Jack's involvement with Siri, I have been his primary beta tester. Alex and I hand in hand served as mediums for communicating what was going on to the best of our ability to those not in the loop.

    The server captured data going to and from the device and Apple's server and his device and changed values accordingly. This spoofing technique proved as a viable option, but after a ton of testing, a lot of issues came up. The method was cumbersome and didn't fit the profile for distribution purposes. It would require a lot of maintenance as well as funds to uphold a DNS server that could support a ton of traffic. Jack shelved the DNS idea and resorted to having to hack the actual files in order to get Siri to work with Apple's servers via the device. At this point in the scenario, Jack reached out to 5+ developers in the jailbreak community to start the process of getting Siri packaged and working 100%. Steven Troughton-Smith and previously spotlighted people in the Siri scene had been very quiet at this point and was making no indications of further developments with regards to Siri.

    While working with developers, Jack's main goal was to ensure that the port worked 100% and that it would mesh well with the jailbreak environment (i.e. Mobile Substrate). Since a jailbreak is required to use Siri on any device other than the iPhone 4S, it was key that Siri was optimized for the jailbreak environment. Days were spent packaging dylibs and other files to get it package ready for a possible release.

    In the mean time, Steven didn't make any statements saying that he was still involved publicly, however behind the scenes, he was very much active. As of tonight, Steven was able to get in touch with Grant Paul (chpwn) who has access to a jailbroken iPhone 4S, courtesy of the iPhone Dev-Team. While Steve and Grant were spending time with one another, they were able to get the key chain files they needed from the jailbroken iPhone 4S and simply copy and paste the files onto their respective non-iPhone 4S devices. This process proved successful and allowed them to use Siri on their devices with Apple connectivity.

    Below are videos of an iPhone 4S and iPod touch 4G demoing Siri with Apple connectivity:





    After all this, one might be quick to judge Jack and call him a liar or someone that has stolen files from the other parties involved. This is not the case and anyone that has publicly stated that this was the truth is incorrect. There were a lot of reasons and drama-related issues that kept Jack from demoing Siri weeks ago.

    There have been a lot of people involved with the port as well as those who've had full knowledge of what has been happening. Those people include myself and Alex Heath as mentioned earlier, iH8sn0w, and a few others. The past few weeks have been like walking through a room of egg shells. Information that was crucial to its progress were needed to be concealed as well as the methods behind doing so as well.

    According to Steven in his interview with 9to5Mac, they will not be releasing this hack to the public. This is due to the immense about of piracy required to get the port working as it is. If there is a method by which to port Siri without infringing on Apple (and getting sued) Siri will be publicly available. Until a method is found to work around the piracy issue, there is no ETA for a release of this Siri hack.

    So when it all boils down, the current state of the port is just a publicity stunt.
    The whole ordeal with this information airing on 9to5Mac in the way it has been has caused a lot of frustration and drama in the community between all of us, including Jack. Updates on the progress of this whole situation will be revealed as it hits the wild. Jack, Alex, and I are not here to discredit Steven and Grant's accomplishment with Siri. It's quite exciting, however there is much more going on behind the scenes than people know about currently.

    Stay tuned.

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    So when it all boils down, the current state of the port is just a publicity stunt.
    The current state of the port is exactly what the previous state of the port (as reported here on modmyi) was, except that the server issue was worked around and a video was shown of it working.

    Therefore, if you believe the current state of the port is a publicity stunt, certainly the previous state of the port (as reported here on modmyi) was a publicity stunt as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleNerd View Post
    The current state of the port is exactly what the previous state of the port (as reported here on modmyi) was, except that the server issue was worked around and a video was shown of it working.

    Therefore, if you believe the current state of the port is a publicity stunt, certainly the previous state of the port (as reported here on modmyi) was a publicity stunt as well.
    Pretty much, this whole post just seems to be sour apples by ModMyI because they were left out of Steven's work after they jumped ship to Jacko. The entire goal of getting Siri working seemed like some ploy to try and get more hits to ModMyI ( all the language about ModMyI being the only original beta tester)

    People want status updates to see if it's actually even possible, Steven has already said he'll most likely release the how to guide

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    Quote Originally Posted by fusen View Post
    Pretty much, this whole post just seems to be sour apples by ModMyI because they were left out of Steven's work after they jumped ship to Jacko. The entire goal of getting Siri working seemed like some ploy to try and get more hits to ModMyI ( all the language about ModMyI being the only original beta tester)

    People want status updates to see if it's actually even possible, Steven has already said he'll most likely release the how to guide
    So we would just need to get the files ourself?

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    Ah makes sense, thnx for the update and gl with the testing/development

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryPIG View Post
    So we would just need to get the files ourself?
    Yes, this is just like the iOS 5 beta jailbreaks where the devteam said "you have to be a developer with access to the betas as we can't distrobute the Apple files needed to jailbreak"

    They still released the tool but made you get the parts yourself, which even though they were against it, a lot of people just downloaded the beta firmwares off sites instead of signing up to the apple developer program.

    once the entire process of getting Siri working is 100% there has been NOTHING said about getting the information secret, Steven's earlier tweet said this;

    To confirm: all details will be revealed once I confirm it works, doesn't break other things, and is safe. Likely after 4S JB release (reqd)
    so there is no reason to panic or try and throw abuse anyone's way

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    Quote Originally Posted by fusen View Post
    Pretty much, this whole post just seems to be sour apples by ModMyI because they were left out of Steven's work after they jumped ship to Jacko. The entire goal of getting Siri working seemed like some ploy to try and get more hits to ModMyI ( all the language about ModMyI being the only original beta tester)
    Agreed.

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