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Originally Posted by raduga "by far the largest single upgrade" is pretty hyperbolic, and kinda silly. By the numbers, its about par for other "guts" upgrades. The hardware got spec...
10-04-2011, 08:48 PM #181Hardware upgrade
I'm a little confused as to what people are considering hardware. To me this is a huge hardware upgrade (and software for that matter). Sounds like there isn't really that much UNmodified hardware other than the display and the casing. Maybe people want a redesign so they can show off that they have the new model but personally I'm quite happy with my ip4 form factor and I'm pretty psyched about getting twice the RAM and a much more powerful CPU. I have to say I'm pretty curious about Siri too. I bought voice activator on Cydia and I like it but it's not so easy to set up...
I feel like people are looking for change for the sake of change... I've seen almost no concrete complaints about what was absent that should have been included (other than a larger screen, which I'm glad was absent). Just moaning about how it's a "minor" upgrade. In my book, the form factors great, just make it more powerful.
iCloud looks cool too for the syncing aspect. My number one complaint about iTunes is how it handles app syncing. Especially when you have multiple idevices and multiple comouters. Frankly I'd be pretty happy if I could never open iTunes again.
Let's just hope I can convince my wife to give me her upgrade and take my hand-me-down ip4!
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10-04-2011, 09:24 PM #182
I see that while it now has a dual core CPU, the clock speed seems to be the same (unconfirmed)? As someone who's been running SMP in my main computer since I had a Pentium III, I appreciate that dual cores can help with some workloads and responsiveness. I also know that MHz still matters. The 7X graphics processing power will be great.. when we get something that uses it. (I'm actually genuinely excited about that once using airplay for output becomes more popular).
The RAM may have gone up by 512MB this time, but it's gone up by 100% every time. If you look at relative increase for the camera and video you see a reduced improvement. 3 to 5MP is +67% while 5 to 8MP is only +60%. Likewise 480p to 720p is about 300% increase in resolution while 720p to 1080p is only about 200% more.
Where's the 4" screen? Or the 3D camera / screen? Where's the pico projector? Where's the LTE?
I wasn't actually expecting any of those things, but I do think that's the sort of "new hardware" people where hoping for, given the kinds of new things the iP4 brought. I was actually struggling to imagine what exactly they'd come up with since the iP4 is still, 14 months later, pretty good. A new processor just cause they have one and better battery life were pretty much the only things I could be certain of. The update doesn't seem that disappointing to me, but I'm still in contract so it doesn't really matter.Only those who attempt the absurd will achieve the impossible. -- M.C. Escher
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10-04-2011, 09:42 PM #183
What do you people think, is this iPhone going to be sold in stores as unlocked from october 14th forward?
10-04-2011, 09:51 PM #184
Wonder who would wants to upgrade from iphone 4 to 4s when the standby time has decreased from 300 hrs to 200 hrs..the battery is the same as iphone 4
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10-04-2011, 10:58 PM #186
lol. So many people displeased with the results of Apple's event, and yet how many of you will flock to the retail stores like zombies to get this phone anyway? I'm betting a good majority of you will....maybe not on release day.....but you'll cave eventually when one of your friends or a co-worker shows it off to you.
And all it does is prove how Apple can lag behind the rest of the market and STILL be successful......because of die-hard loyalists who SETTLE FOR WHAT APPLE HAS GIVEN THEM.
Even the stockholders were un-impressed by this phone's debut. You think Apple cares? NOPE. Why? Because they know that the herd will river-dance all the way to the stores, holding hands and singing along the way......open up their wallets.....and fork over their cheddar.
The same people that piss and moan about Apple not giving them what they want are the same people that just deal with whatever Apple gives them at the time. And thats exactly what they want!
How much of a step-up do you think the iPhone 5 would be if nobody bought the 4S and it completely flopped in sales? Apple would make extra effort to ensure the 5 was truly a leap forward and not just some mild upgrade built to shut you up.
Just my thoughts on the whole deal.
10-04-2011, 11:50 PM #187
Double the processing power with an extra CPU core and faster clock speed. (3GS > 4 only gave you +400Mhz)
4G > 4GS has no change in clock speed, but dual-core should offer some improvement. (not double)
The proportional upgrade is comparable.
7x The graphics processing power
3G > 3GS was at least "7x" if not more; since the 3G SoC didn't really even have a dedicated GPU.
Numbers like "7x the speed" are kinda worthless without good benchmarks.
We'll need more of those to validate properly.
+512MB RAM (3GS > 4 only gave you +256MB)
3GS > 4G - 2x the RAM
4G > 4GS - 2x the RAM
Proportionally, it's no different than previous power-ups.
But practically speaking, a lot LESS significant because the earlier models were really horribly starved for RAM.
Doubling from 3G>3GS helped a lot.
Doubling from 3GS>4G helped, but not as much.
Doubling from 4G>4GS will only really help, when Apps demand and use the extra space. As a developer, personally, I can't wait! But it won't improve the user experience much for day-to-day use, because the OS doesn't need it as desperately.
+3MP on the camera (3GS > 4 only gave you +2MP)
3GS > 4G - replaced an auto-focus 3mp with an autofocus 5mp (1.6x). AND added a front-side 1mp camera.
4G > 4GS - replaced the 5mp with 8mp (1.6x).
Proportionally, the same. But they didn't add any brand-new cameras like they did the last time.
+360 pixels on video recording 720 >1080 (3GS > 4 only gave you +240)
Proportionally, the same.
iPhone 2G > 3G was a complete and total JOKE. Same phone except for the crappy plastic case and the 3G baseband chip. IMO this was a downgrade b/c the processor couldn't handle rendering web pages at the increased speed and didn't have enough RAM.
iPhone 3G to 3GS was the second best upgrade with 128 to 256MB RAM, 2 to 3MP camera, 412 to 600Mhz processor (50% faster)... but still a relatively crappy screen and camera, not enough RAM and marginal CPU performance.
modern CPU (armv6 vs armv7) clocked at 1.6x speed
real GPU (instead of having the CPU do the work)
enough RAM that the OS wasn't eating your lunch (instead of having the OS eat your lunch)
vastly more functional camera (though still low-resolution)
So to sum up... given the ACTUAL FACTS listed above the iPhone 4S is the best upgraded phone per component than the previous model to date. If they had increased the screen size all the apps would have to be re-written for a different resolution.[/B]
CPU: 1.6x clock up
GPU: modest improvement
Display: double resolution. 4x the pixels. That was kindof a big deal, no?
Camera: incremental improvement + extra camera in front
There's no problem with the 4GS. I don't have a problem with the 4GS. I think its nice.
If the retina display is "good enough" no need to change it.
If the auto-focus multiple-lens camera is "good enough" no need to change it. Just replace the CCD to bump the pixel count.
If 2 cameras is good enough, no need to add another 3 or 4 cameras on every side.
But its still less of a jump to go from a slightly less powerful device with all these basic features to a more powerful one, than it is to go from a slightly less powerful device without those features to one that has them.
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Since the 4 and 4s are nearly identical and I can't find any info anywhere else, is it safe to assume the cases are the same? I would rather order my case now so it's here before my phone. I HATE carrying around an iPhone without a case.
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10-05-2011, 07:23 AM #195I'm going to get it, cannot wait any longer...
When the iPhone 5 finally comes out, I will not get it... I'll wait for the "5S" or 6!
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Using percentages (or "proportional" numbers) rather than absolute values to skew your analysis of upgrades is funny.
256 to 512 is a 100% upgrade
512 to 1028 is also a 100% upgrade but if you take absolute/actual values this upgrade is much more significant. (+512 MB vs +256MB)
3MP camera to 5MP camera is a 66% increase.
5Mp to 8MP is a 60% upgrade so percentage wise it looks like the second upgrade is less significant... but looking at absolute numbers +3MP is more than a +2MP upgrade.
480 to 720 is +50%
720 to 1080 is also +50% so while percentages might make it look the same absolute numbers give you +360 pixels in this upgrade vs only +240 pixels in the last upgrade.
You seem to think adding an extra core but keeping the same clock speed is LESS than double the performance; however, historically when computers went from 3.4+Ghz on a Pentium 4 computer to a modest 1.8Ghz Core 2 Duo it shows a significant performance boost because of the advanced chip architecture. It's not pure clock speed that determines performance when adding cores. If you look at the benchmark tests of the iPad vs iPad 2 you will see the iPad 2 scores more than TRIPLE those of the iPad.