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    Quote Originally Posted by ericwall View Post
    WRONG! JailbreakMe.com is the BEST jailbreak!
    Disagree

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    Why? It is a stunningly elegant solution that works - if it hasn't for you then please let people know what the problem is rather than just post that.
    He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucious View Post
    Why? It is a stunningly elegant solution that works - if it hasn't for you then please let people know what the problem is rather than just post that.
    JBM was pretty good,
    but for style, stealth and overall technical excellence,
    these guys had the best jailbreak ever:


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    Quote Originally Posted by floyd27 View Post
    OMG..
    Do you guys not know what OTA updates are?

    If, OTA updates works for jailbroken devices, as soon as the update was applied your precious jailbreak would be gone. Just as if you updated in itunes with a stock apple firmware.

    Muclenerd has said he would "disable" these updates just for this reason. Now apple has decided not to "enable" them for jailbroken devices, hence the "present from apple".

    OTA updates are not something jailbreakers should be desiring. Its the exact opposite in fact..

    It's not a full update. Full updates are basically restores without the settings and media reset. A regular update uses the [huge] ipsw and it replaces all system files and apps. The OTA updates only update files that have been updated. That keeps the update size much smaller than the usual 700+mb. So the hope is that they can bypass any checks and still get the updates. Only problem is that apple will start updating core files to intentionally break the jailbreak. Fingers crossed for something good...

    Quote Originally Posted by rocky5 View Post
    Because when you install a custom firmware there are no unusual apps in /Applicatons, until after cydia is installed, by that time it's to late to check & the with OTA updates you already have cydia installed, so they can check.
    Apple could easily check whenever you sync. They could just "verify" the iPhone. All they'd have to do is have iTunes send a random unsigned code and attempt to execute it. If it executes successfully then the device is jailbroken (similar to the iBooks thing they tried). But remember how much attention that got? People were furious that their book store wouldn't download anything. If apple did that same check but disabled, wiped, or reset the entire device, people would be furious and apple would get much more negative attention than they'd like.

    Quote Originally Posted by psilocybin View Post
    Disagree
    Tyler is actually sorta right. I'd say the most unstable jailbreak was ziphone. Heres why:
    ZiPhones 1-Pass method stuffed everything into the ramdisk, this led to memory corruption, like grayed out Wi-Fi or bluetooth.

    ZiPhone automatically downgraded your bootloader to 3.9, which thankfully could be updated again using Bootneuter. The reason this was bad was that if your iPhone was 1.1.2 or higher, you were screwed permanently, thanks to the Dev team though Bootneuter was an amazing (but again, dangerous if not used properly) tool.

    That's enough about ziphone. It's the most unstable jailbreak though. Just sayin. Haha.



    ANYWAY back on topic here.
    Addressing the stability of JBM3.0, let's go to one of our experts, jay freeman aka Saurik.

    -Me: Jay, what do you think of JBM3.0's stability?

    -Jay: comex is in /such/ a hurry that his new jailbreak will have a poorly tested kernel driver in it. I'd wait [...] to use it.

    ( twitter.com/Saurik )

    Well that's what Saurik thinks. If you want to disagree with him then I call 'ignorance'.
    Last edited by Modmywhat?; 07-25-2011 at 12:47 AM.

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    OTA updates don't work on any modified device. Its across the board with Android/iOS/BlackBerry. If you mess with your OS, the check fails and Apple won't update it. Simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boxxa View Post
    OTA updates don't work on any modified device. Its across the board with Android/iOS/BlackBerry. If you mess with your OS, the check fails and Apple won't update it. Simple.
    Yes. What I'm adding is that people are thinking of bypassing or disabling the check (like wtf) but even IF they trick the check, apple can just update core and system files to break the jailbreak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floyd27 View Post
    OMG..
    Do you guys not know what OTA updates are?

    If, OTA updates works for jailbroken devices, as soon as the update was applied your precious jailbreak would be gone. Just as if you updated in itunes with a stock apple firmware.

    Muclenerd has said he would "disable" these updates just for this reason. Now apple has decided not to "enable" them for jailbroken devices, hence the "present from apple".

    OTA updates are not something jailbreakers should be desiring. Its the exact opposite in fact..
    Amen!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by floyd27 View Post
    OMG..
    Do you guys not know what OTA updates are?

    If, OTA updates works for jailbroken devices, as soon as the update was applied your precious jailbreak would be gone. Just as if you updated in itunes with a stock apple firmware.

    Muclenerd has said he would "disable" these updates just for this reason. Now apple has decided not to "enable" them for jailbroken devices, hence the "present from apple".

    OTA updates are not something jailbreakers should be desiring. Its the exact opposite in fact..
    Partly agree on that. With the benefit of OTA, Cydia could start offering Unthethered jailbreak updates
    That indeed would be useful to most iDevice users; but no loss at all, it only takes approximately 20 minutes to achieve the same thing over a wire, so long as you have all you jailbroken apps/tweaks backed up with something like PkgBackup

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrElectrifyer View Post
    Partly agree on that. With the benefit of OTA, Cydia could start offering Unthethered jailbreak updates
    That indeed would be useful to most iDevice users; but no loss at all, it only takes approximately 20 minutes to achieve the same thing over a wire, so long as you have all you jailbroken apps/tweaks backed up with something like PkgBackup
    Problem is that Cydia or anyone can't fix the delta updates and then push jailbroken ones out to you because then it would contain Apple code, the part of the delta update, and that would shut them down fast. That is why with custom firmwares the dev teams provide you with a tool that adjusts the firmware and you are responsible for getting the firmware and using the tool. The tools they have contain no apple parts so they can avoid lawsuits. That is why we saw the iPad 2 jailbroken day 1 and took so long to see it. It was said that in order to jailbreak it he had to use some of Apple's code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cer0 View Post
    Problem is that Cydia or anyone can't fix the delta updates and then push jailbroken ones out to you because then it would contain Apple code, the part of the delta update, and that would shut them down fast. That is why with custom firmwares the dev teams provide you with a tool that adjusts the firmware and you are responsible for getting the firmware and using the tool. The tools they have contain no apple parts so they can avoid lawsuits. That is why we saw the iPad 2 jailbroken day 1 and took so long to see it. It was said that in order to jailbreak it he had to use some of Apple's code.
    Heh, totally forgot about the lawyers (aka liers) when I was posting
    Totally agree on that; especially with all these "shouldn't be there" software patents breaking the competitions

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    Yep, have to make careful steps to play the game and not get in trouble. Much like large corporations do also.

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