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06-24-2011, 01:17 PM #1
Time Magazine Profiles Hack That Uncovered iOS App That Make Police Officers Nervous
Time magazine's Techland published an interesting report this morning about the growing number of iOS apps that make authorities nervous. As it turns out, the list of apps causing worry for police extend far beyond the controversial DUI checkpoint apps that recently prompted Apple to revise its App Store review policies and guidelines.
The genesis of this story stems back to a hacker group (go figure) called LulzSec. The organization, according to Time, has been targeting Arizona law enforcement "by releasing thousands of pages of confidential documents and communications presumably acquired in a security breach." Within the treasure trove of findings are documents that point to the iPhone and several apps that have drawn scrutiny and concern from law enforcement.
One document, titled “iphone apps- used against officers.doc”, is classified “Law Enforcement Sensitive” and lists several apps of which officers should be aware. These include an app called “Cop Recorder,” which according to the police document “can be activated while in a pocket and record everything the officer is saying,” as well as a speed trap avoidance app and a police tracking app, and an app for jailbroken iPhones that turns the device into a scale in grams or ounces.
Following the publicized hack, the Arizona Highway Patrol Association confirmed that the leaked documents are, indeed, real. Referencing the hackers who brought these police policies and procedures to light, Jimmy Chavez, President of the AHPA, says: “These individuals maliciously released confidential information knowing the safety of DPS employees, and their families, would be compromised. A threat to release more DPS files demonstrates how heinous the hackers are willing to act. The AHPA would like to see the people brought to justice and prosecuted to the highest degree of the law.”
Source: Time magazine (Techland)
06-24-2011, 01:27 PM #2
If they do their job correctly, why would police have a problem with being recorded? They record stuff when they pull people over why not the other way around? Speed trap avoidence slows these speed demons down, isn't that the purpose of cops pulling people over or is it interfering with them making their quotas? Is there more information the hacker released that is not posted up? Because I do not see any of this info hurt these cops families.
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06-24-2011, 01:27 PM #3
Put a passcode on your iPhone. You're not obligated to tell Police what it is.
On the subject of the DUI/Checkpoint apps. If you're using them to harmlessly avoid inconvenient, but tiny, delays in your journey then fine. No problem there.
The problem is with people using the apps to avoid checkpoints because they know they have something to hide or are driving over the alcohol limit. I'd rather endure as many checkpoints as possible on a journey over those apps enabling a single person to drink and drive.
06-24-2011, 02:06 PM #4
It SHOULD say
"Time Magazine Profiles Hack(ers) That Uncovered (a file listing the) iOS Apps That Make Police Officers Nervous"
Which is still long and clunky.
06-24-2011, 02:08 PM #5
While reading this article I don't understand what the problem is..... Policy and Procedure for a Police Department (as far as I know) isn't a "secret". Police have guidelines to follow to protect themselves and the person they are dealing with.
For a citizen to record a conversation during a stop is not illegal, it's a protection method just like police do.
As far as the DUI check point app. Police are required to inform the public when and where one is, but they don't have to make it easy for you to find. ie: in the newspaper on page 20 in the Social Living section.
The speed trap app..... Try not speeding and you'll be fine..... I have never been a fan of the term "Speed Trap". If you don't speed...... you have nothing to worry about....
I believe there should be more information in this article explaining why this Police Department's officers are worried..... Maybe I'm missing something or didn't understand what this article is about.....
FYI, I am a Police Officer in South Louisiana and I don't have a problem with these apps. I have friends with iPhones and Android phones that have some interesting apps. A friend called me the other day and asked who I was pulling over at (and gave the intersection I was at) then told me about the app. The funny thing is, that stop was made about 20 minutes before he called me about it but he said he just heard it. I thought it was interesting.
06-24-2011, 02:23 PM #6
I don't understand the Arizona police department in this situation. They respond to a recording app by making sure the cops are aware of it so that they can disable it? What happened to training your department to refrain from incriminating speech?
06-24-2011, 02:34 PM #7
06-24-2011, 02:46 PM #8
can't wait for these dicks to get busted.....hope there is some waterboarding involved.
06-24-2011, 02:55 PM #9
Where is that scale app they are talking about.. I don't have no such app in my cydia!
06-24-2011, 03:02 PM #10
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06-24-2011, 04:26 PM #13
Well, I just checked out the jailbroken scale apps they were referring to in this article and I gotta say, one would have to be absolutely retarded to use it as a scale for measuring drugs.
The apps use the gyroscope to estimate the weight of an object, to ohhh plus or minus 10 grams... or plus or minus about $1000 if you were trying to weigh cocaine.
"Well sir, here's your gram of coke, according to my iPhone that's going to cost you roughly 0 dollars, hmm that seems reasonable.."
06-24-2011, 05:11 PM #14
this is complete ********, if they are doing their job right and not abusing anyone then they dont shouldnt have anything to worry about, but since they know their cops abuse rather than serve the public
06-24-2011, 05:17 PM #15
So much for the fourth amendment. This article reminds me of Napoleon-era France, not the United States...
To wit: you're already assumed to be guilty if the cops are rifling through the contents of your phone to look at your apps and info. This falls squarely into the 'illegal search and seizure' part of the fourth amendment, and is pretty deplorable. As someone else posted above, it is not illegal to film OR audio record the police. It actually appears that they have their panties up in a bunch over the idea that their Napoleon-era tactics have come to light, the way this article has been presented! Wake up, you have no rights here anymore...
And I don't even have any of those apps =)
Now, to address the personal info part of the lulzsec breach, I agree, releasing the personal info of the officers was NOT COOL, and they should be hunted and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, as they did in fact commit a crime...
Unfortunately, the cops are losing their moral high ground due to ignoring the law (the 4th amendment) themselves ;P
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06-24-2011, 06:48 PM #16
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06-24-2011, 07:24 PM #17
heheh that, sir is called "probable cause"... the difference here is, they're going to look at it whether they have "probable cause" or not, which is when it becomes 'illegal search and seizure' instead of "probable cause"... so keep your straw man arguments to yourself, thanks, cause you're probably one of those guys that would be the first to whine about your rights if it happened to you... oh wait, you don't have any =P
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06-25-2011, 06:21 AM #18
So the Author omitted, or did not research, the whole "hacker group releasing border patrol agent names and addresses" part. Perhaps that is why the police are worried, and feel like they are now in danger?
DUI checkpoint apps should not exist. They only benefit the inebriated, after all. Speed trap apps only benefit speeders, don't try to use the excuse of not wanting the inconenience or whatever.. I personally think it is ridiculous that the police can, at least in some states (I'm not quite sure how many), search your phone on probable cause alone. I don't have anything to hide, but it just feels like we are giving too many freedoms up lately. I should get a recording app that can be launched quickly, if I ever get pulled over! I never thought of recording the officer. It's a good idea, since it protects the citizen.
Full disclosure: I don't do illegal activities, they're not really my dig However, I, like many many others have a general mistrust and dislike for the police.
06-25-2011, 10:08 AM #19
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