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    Think steve jobs added the spy feature so he knows where to go on a free holiday with an iphone owner

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    Soon theyll discover that our phones take sound samples from the microphone and pictures from the camera, timestamped and geologged, then sent to apple. That would convince more people to jailbreak, I'm assuming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    With this log a wife that gets a hold of her husbands iPhone can find out when and where he was, if he is cheating on her guess what something bad happened.
    They did do something wrong, I did not give up my rights to privacy even if I clicked agree on the TOS.
    If Apple did not intend to use this info at some point, then there is no reason for them to add this to their programming. I fail how you can code all this and it turns out to be an accident on Apple's part.

    All those people who sold their iPhones, a stranger knows where you go and what you do. Better hope they are not some psycho that would do something with that info.
    Knowing apple, they will probably file a lawsuit against the dev who made the untrackerd mod, because it violates their toa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
    LOL! Are you trying to justify adultery? Obviously the husband is doing something wrong already by cheating, so her (somehow) finding the logs and stopping what's going on is actually a positive thing! Not the best example to use.

    You're preaching to the choir though, I could care less that they're tracking on my phone, nothing bad has come of it, and until it does I'm ok with it.
    No I am not justify adultery, but you are saying nothing bad would happen. If I am the cheating husband, 1/2 my worth is gone which I would consider something bad.

    Its great that you are fine with it, but I am worried about the iPhone that I gave my ex when I upgraded to iPhone 4 which she said she lost with all my data on it. What if she finds it or her current boyfriend who may be a psycho track me down with it? I am often at work and at home, so there is a lot of log at these two locations.

    Quote Originally Posted by rayzeur22 View Post
    Knowing apple, they will probably file a lawsuit against the dev who made the untrackerd mod, because it violates their toa.
    Nope, to TOS lets Apple to get to your phone and grab info. But it did not say you can not remove that info, so Apple can not do anything about it.
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    I hope they perform legal sodomy on Jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Essany View Post


    Franken, in particular, drafted a letter to Mr. Steve Jobs himself. "There are numerous ways in which this information could be abused by criminals and bad actors," Franken stated in the letter.
    What does Steven Segal have to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayzeur22 View Post
    Knowing apple, they will probably file a lawsuit against the dev who made the untrackerd mod, because it violates their toa.
    Probably. But by the time the the legal system orders relief, the ill-gotten information has traveled around the world 100+ times and forever-stored in a million databases.

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    Fox News just promoted Jailbreaking! They were covering this locationgate thing and first said nothing you can do about it. Then a moment later they said Untrackerd in Cydia will remedy this issue. But you have to Jailbreak your phone which is "very complicated" LOL

    Go Fox News!

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    Ohhh Apple gonna get it now xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by x12_Carnage View Post
    Ohhh Apple gonna get it now xD
    there are worse things.

    Michigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops

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    Quote Originally Posted by x12_Carnage View Post
    Ohhh Apple gonna get it now xD
    What from a few "lawmakers"? Please....Apple eats U.S. Lawmakers for breakfast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    No I am not justify adultery, but you are saying nothing bad would happen. If I am the cheating husband, 1/2 my worth is gone which I would consider something bad.

    Its great that you are fine with it, but I am worried about the iPhone that I gave my ex when I upgraded to iPhone 4 which she said she lost with all my data on it. What if she finds it or her current boyfriend who may be a psycho track me down with it? I am often at work and at home, so there is a lot of log at these two locations.



    Nope, to TOS lets Apple to get to your phone and grab info. But it did not say you can not remove that info, so Apple can not do anything about it.
    Well it just goes to show that adultery never pays off! You shouldn't be doing it in the first place!

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    it's about time someone starting looking into Apple's systematic abuse of personal rights, I am sure they will just say "oops it was a bug (anyone that writes software will know that's crap)" but they have a pattern of privacy abuse , remember "phone home" that was in OSX .

    We need a consumer information bill of rights that says "no matter what your terms and conditions say you don't get to collect information on me unless I give it to you in explicitly in writing, otherwise default is opt-out".

    fine is a million dollars per instance, loss of money is the only thing corporations fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chakraj View Post
    Yes, I do not want my phone tracking my every move. I have rights as a human being and I do not agree to allow my rights to be given away.

    Our ancestors fought so we could be free, and we now just dont care anymore,we just give it away a little at a time. Then when its gone we will all say, where did our freedom go.


    PS. Where did our freedom go?
    How is this violating your "rights" as a human being? Which one of the ten admendments is this issue violating? None.
    Why are all political "humans" so narrow minded and fail to see the real issue instead of ALWAYS lumping it in with something to do with war and our history? This is about Apple keeping information on your device, not the holocaust.

    Quote Originally Posted by jrentzke View Post
    Wow, this has turned into such a sensational circus. People, and especially senators, should educate themselves a bit first before spouting off. This is nothing new. You did actually agree to this when you didn't bother reading the TOS and hastily clicked on 'Agree'. And here's the shocker: Apple is only one of MANY that do this, and they all ask you to 'Agree', and you do!
    Is the senator also going to demand the same response from Google, Motorola, HTC, RIMM, Microsoft, HP/Palm?
    Because they all do the same thing.

    Please read this article & TOC's from the various companies, then you'll understand why this is just sensational reporting:

    Your smartphone is tracking you, and you said it was okay | BGR

    And if you're still paranoid, you can always jailbreak & install Petrich's fix from Cydia.

    exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by GAIAStevef View Post
    Not so much where's I've been with my phone, but what DOES bother me is that included in the information gathered is the MAC ID for my router and cable modem, along with my residence location... Why is that needed or used ? I use MAC filtering as part of my router's security setup, and this just seems to invite "hey, come on over and squat on my Wi-Fi connection..."

    Maybe I'm just being overly sensitive, but I really don't see why they need this additional data...
    Yea, cus we all know Apple's out to steal your bandwidth and prevent you from downloading the latest Redtube porno flick.

    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    With this log a wife that gets a hold of her husbands iPhone can find out when and where he was, if he is cheating on her guess what something bad happened.
    They did do something wrong, I did not give up my rights to privacy even if I clicked agree on the TOS.
    If Apple did not intend to use this info at some point, then there is no reason for them to add this to their programming. I fail how you can code all this and it turns out to be an accident on Apple's part.

    All those people who sold their iPhones, a stranger knows where you go and what you do. Better hope they are not some psycho that would do something with that info.
    How's that a bad thing? Seems to me that's a good thing. Why be with a cheating deadbeat?

    Quote Originally Posted by steve-z17 View Post
    LOL! Are you trying to justify adultery? Obviously the husband is doing something wrong already by cheating, so her (somehow) finding the logs and stopping what's going on is actually a positive thing! Not the best example to use.

    You're preaching to the choir though, I could care less that they're tracking on my phone, nothing bad has come of it, and until it does I'm ok with it.
    Yep. almost 4 yrs of having iphones and itouchs' I haven't been abducted, raped, etc. I don't think that Apple tracks you for the sole purpose of an unwanted one night stand.

    Quote Originally Posted by chakraj View Post
    The TOS is just the shadow of a contract, and contracts are fluid and changeable so the TOS is no excuse or defense for this behavior.

    This is about property rights. The file on my phone "consolidated.db" is my file and the info on it is my property. I am not willing to give my property without a fee. So I agree that theyc an use my property when and only when they pay me what value I find reasonable for my property.
    the file consolidated.db is part of the iOS which APPLE owns, not you. You just own the hardware.

    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    No I am not justify adultery, but you are saying nothing bad would happen. If I am the cheating husband, 1/2 my worth is gone which I would consider something bad.

    Its great that you are fine with it, but I am worried about the iPhone that I gave my ex when I upgraded to iPhone 4 which she said she lost with all my data on it. What if she finds it or her current boyfriend who may be a psycho track me down with it? I am often at work and at home, so there is a lot of log at these two locations.



    Nope, to TOS lets Apple to get to your phone and grab info. But it did not say you can not remove that info, so Apple can not do anything about it.
    You're a tool. I can't even begin to describe just how off centered you are in your frame of mind.
    Last edited by Co1d Night; 04-22-2011 at 09:42 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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    Until they offer an explanation I am totally against it. Even if they are only using it for advertisement, it does not mean that this is the only way they intend to use your information in the future, and that totally puts me on edge. Just because your not guilty of any crimes doesn't mean that you wouldn't mind if they stole your information. They are already collecting screenshots without your knowledge when your phone is in use; what if your viewing a private message? Where will it end? Personal videos, photos, contacts list, emails, passwords, modem information, tethered/syncing computer information/files, etc..... I'm far from paranoia, there is just too much at risk here and the ignorant are too stupid to consider the possibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Syn View Post
    You're a tool. I can't even begin to describe just how off centered you are in your frame of mind.
    You are the biggest tool to side with Apple when people's rights to privacy is violated.
    My ex-girlfriend's boyfriend have threatened me many times before, even her best friend hears him say such things. He is a psycho and my ex always compares me with him, that is why he is so pissed. This is my personal situation which you are not aware of, my peace of mind is he did not know where I lived or worked but now I am not so sure.

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    My problem with this and the cops downloading your data based on probable cause during a traffic stop is only really 1 thing: just because i'm not doing something illegal or have done something illegal doesn't mean i don't want to let go of my privacy rights.

    I may not be selling or buying weed but I definitely don't want you looking through pictures of my gf on my phone or reading emails between myself and clients from work and viewing their financial data, etc.

    I hope jailbreakers next focus is protecting phones from the cellebrite ufed because once cops get ahold of that, nothing will be private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unison999 View Post
    You are the biggest tool to side with Apple when people's rights to privacy is violated.
    My ex-girlfriend's boyfriend have threatened me many times before, even her best friend hears him say such things. He is a psycho and my ex always compares me with him, that is why he is so pissed. This is my personal situation which you are not aware of, my peace of mind is he did not know where I lived or worked but now I am not so sure.
    This pertains to me or the topic how? How has the data being collected affected you?


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