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04-11-2011, 03:15 AM #61
No offense to Cowboy or his employers, but I believe AT&T isn't smart enough to look at the few tipoffs (and there are a few, all I can think of were mentioned in this article or its predecessor) that can't be dodged with preparation or spoofing on the user's end--they're just looking at the data hogs and are trying to cull the herd.
Simple economics, folks. 30/month for unlimited data (let's say 5 GB safely), or 45/month (since a tethering plan automatically revokes your unlimited data) for 4 GB and 10/month per GB after that, rounded up?
This is a screwjob. Nothing less. I expect this from Verizon... wait; come June 30th or so, it'll end up like this there too I bet.
04-11-2011, 03:41 AM #62
04-11-2011, 03:49 AM #63
Its not a witch hunt lol, come on this is ATT were talking about.. they dont do witch hunts, they just start billing you and let you sort it out after the fact.
This is just one of their innocuous, sporadically generated txt messages, err, veiled ad disguised as a helpful txt. I got the exact same txt 3 or 4 years ago on my blackjack 2. Just delete it and go on about your tethering.
04-11-2011, 04:11 AM #64
I must say this is a rather crappy move on AT&T's part. I'd venture to say that for every person who uses 5+GB's there are 5 unlimited subscribers using less than 1GB. No stats to back that up, but I know far to many people who are grandfathered in and only make calls, text, and fb.
04-11-2011, 04:50 AM #65
I want my 2 and 2 months worth of Data money ($30/month), a total of $780, back since AT&T was not able to provide me the service I was paying for in my location. Yeah, I doubt I ever see that back. But it might be a good point to bring up with them when they start arguing about "tethering" definitions on the phone with me for Netflix and Pandora.
Hell, if I get it, I am cancelling my account, getting myself a iPad 32Gb 3G on Verizon and getting a Skype account with a phone number or a Google Voice account. I hate talking on the phone as it is and I use my phone for more data related stuff than voice. Watch my $160 phone plan drop quite a bit. Verizon 3GB dataplan only $35/month. I use about 1.6 GB most of the time. Then just have my wife's phone plan.
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04-11-2011, 05:04 AM #66
Even on capped plans, you pay for your 5GB (or whatever) of data up front whether you use 1KB or 5GB. AT&T have been paid for their service. Tethering is not an additional service or cost to At&t. Your phone is still the device using the data you've paid for.
However, downloading a cracked app means no one gets paid. See the difference?
To be honest, charging for tethering is like if ISP's charged you extra to use a Wifi router.
04-11-2011, 05:58 AM #67
Can't wait for the result article, thanks for the great info.
04-11-2011, 06:47 AM #68
Here in the UK there has never been 'unlimited' data.
Most tariffs specifically exclude Tethering/Streaming/VoIP
You can pay extra to have a plan that enables tethering/streaming data and more again for VoIP.
The mobile data network was never designed for lots of data - it was designed when very few phones accessed the internet and for sending small amounts of data to a small screen.
With 3G the situation improved, with Edge one user could hog all the channels effectively blocking a tower from servicing other customers. due to channel/time slice restrictions.
While this has improved with 3G the system still relies on time slicing and tethering and streaming have very different usage patterns (It was a long time ago I was shown some stats from Deep Packet Inspection used by UK providers and it's very easy to tell streaming and tethering from other types of data usage. It appears that the US carriers are way behind UK carriers in their data usage analysis and they are using very crude analysis.
People using vast amounts of data (most plans in the UK are limited to 512Mb or 1Gb) will be causing network congestion for other people - it is an intrinsic problem of mobile data networks and almost impossible for AT&T or anyone else to counter without data caps.
Tethering is excluded from plans for a reason - if you are tethering it will be causing network problems which is why they charge more.
I was always surprised that AT&T had 'unlimited' data and the amounts of data some people use on a system that was never designed for it.
Personally, I pay extra (£22/month for calls/texts/MMS and data) for a 3Gb limit which allows tethering and streaming and the only time I've exceeded it was when my home broadband was out of action. Mobile data networks were never designed to replace broadband, only supplement it on your phone when you don't have access to a proper network.
AT&T seem to have set unrealistic expectation levels and going after people who use a lot of data when that is what the promised is wrong. But charging people who tether is acceptable IMHO provided it was excluded (as I believe it was) from your agreement.
I'm sure this will run and run....He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
04-11-2011, 06:50 AM #69
04-11-2011, 07:11 AM #70
As always, kyle's stories are the best! Now on a serious note, this is absolutely terrible for the community that ATT is doing this they have unlimited data plans for a reason leave them be!
04-11-2011, 07:17 AM #71
Apple is going to have trouble pushing cloud storage and services to people with capped data. I streamed a movie off my computer using the StreamToMe app over 3G. I estimated that I was using ~250Mb/hour.
I'm on the 2Gb plan, and I use Mywi, but no text/email yet. But my tethering is exclusively with my iPad and my kids' iPods. I doubt the data usage on those will raise any red flags.
04-11-2011, 07:18 AM #72
I really doubt it's based off strictly Data usage alone.
Last month I used 16.9GB of data, and most months are about the same. I watch NetFlix all day at work, so it eats up a good bit of bandwith and have yet to get a text message about tethering.
04-11-2011, 07:20 AM #73
04-11-2011, 07:21 AM #74
04-11-2011, 07:25 AM #75
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04-11-2011, 08:10 AM #76
My question is this, I don't see anything in my contract about tethering.. Does anyone else see wording related to the separation of phone data and tethering data? I feel that when push comes to shove that AT&T will end up in a class action lawsuit and be forced to allow those grandfathered into unlimited data plans to unlimited tethering.
04-11-2011, 08:45 AM #77
04-11-2011, 08:47 AM #78
I'm on an AT&T Premier account, too. All phones on family plan have unlimited data. No warning messages from AT&T yet because I don't think any of us hit 5/GB month.
04-11-2011, 08:48 AM #79
I have yet to get a text msg and i mywi all the time for my gf's ipad and my laptop.. the laptop not nearly as often except for on vacations. My unlimited dataplan usage for the past 6 months:
Nov 10 - 6.2GB
Dec 10 - 7GB
Jan 11 - 6GB
Feb 11 - 4.7GB
Mar 11 - 2.1GB
Apr 11 - 8.7GB
04-11-2011, 08:53 AM #80
I kept my unlimited data plan as well and have not received a notice (yet). The most data I've used in a month though, is 1.2GB.21.5" iMac 3.06 GHz Intel Core i3 l 15" MacBook Pro 2.2 GHz Intel Core i7 l 17" PowerBook 1.67 GHz
iPhone 4 32 GB l TV 160 GB l 32 GB iPad