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12-22-2010, 04:15 PM #81
12-22-2010, 05:19 PM #82
These companies removing all ties with WikiLeaks probably has nothing at all to do with censorship issues, most likely it has to do with the fact that WikiLeaks has broken several very severe federal laws. The distribution of classified material, even the unathorized reading of classified material carries very large prison sentences. Which means that anyone of you that has visited the site and read any classified material has broken the law as well. Reputable companies want to stay away from this and keep their names clean.
So to break it down for you barney style, if you visit wikileaks, you can go to jail. I think that pretty much sums it up.
12-22-2010, 07:32 PM #83
Do you honestly think that we were attacked because we are free and rich? Or because they are envious of us? Absolutely not.
We were attacked due to our constant meddling and militaristic occupation in the middle east and elsewhere.
Could you imagine if the Chinese, Iraqis, or any other nation had military bases on U.S. soil? People would be outraged. Add to that that we're not exactly the most quiet or civilized occupiers either.
Everything that is going on now is built up over decades of hidden bullsh!t on our part. An "oppressed" people can only take so much.
All this American power and military lifestyle is a fallacy that continues to be perpetuated through military families who believe we are entitled to being number one in the world through militaristic prowess.
We can't even take care of our own people nor secure our own borders (illegal immigration and 9/11). Where is all this money going? Unnecessary nation building.
You want a "stimulus" and want to reduce the debt? End these two illegal (Wikileaks proved this. The information is akin to the Pentagon Papers proving that Vietnam was illegal.) wars, bring the troops home, and dissolve this military empire of ours. We cannot afford it.
Wikileaks is providing a service and is validating what was once conjecture.
What's even more pathetic is that there's a relatively young "audience" here. The future outlook does not look too good.
What laws have been broken here? Other than the person who actually stole the material off of the government computers, everything else is legal.
Don't you think the U.S. government would have already brought a case had there been a clear cut law?
They're embarrassed and are scrambling. In fact, they're going so far as to get legislation created to somehow stop this. It will never hold up in court though. FYI: Assange has already been cleared by the Australians for breaking none of their laws.
Allow me to direct you to Daniel Ellsberg.
For those uninterested in research, he's an American citizen who made copies of classified documents he had access to and sent them to the New York Times for publishing. And I quote our other wiki friend:
these documents "demonstrated, among other things, that the Johnson Administration had systematically lied, not only to the public but also to Congress, about a subject of transcendent national interest and significance". They revealed that the government had knowledge, early on, that the war could most likely not be won, and that continuing the war would lead to many times more casualties than was ever admitted publicly. Further, the papers showed the government had lied to Congress and the public.
The New York Times Co. v. United States ruling stated that the first amendment protected the right of the publishers (the newspapers) to print the materials.
Is Wikileaks American? No. But even if they get shut down, American media outlets are more than free to publish these documents.
What the U.S. government needs to do is figure out how these documents left its hands in the first place and make sure it doesn't happen again.
The amount of uninformed posters in here is outrageous.
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12-22-2010, 07:35 PM #84Name? whereswaldo
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12-22-2010, 08:00 PM #85
One was Daniel Ellsberg (cleared of the charges) and the other is PFC Bradley Manning.
Because you and others refuse to do some research, Bradley Manning was already charged for releasing the Baghdad air strike video (circa 2007), among other things, in July of this year. He has not been charged in relation to the release of these ~250,000 diplomatic cables.
So again, what makes it illegal for I and others to read and publish them?
Some more viewing pleasure:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah12hQj_iK4]YouTube - Naomi Wolfe Schools Jeff Toobin Who Seems To Believe Pentagon Should Be In Charge Of News Media[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM5lhUohR-k]YouTube - They're ALL Afraid Of Naomi Wolf! (That's Why They Cut Her Off & Give Half As Much Time)[/ame]
Ignore the titles. It's the content that counts.
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