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12-21-2010, 06:07 PM #41
So is the discussion on wether Wikileaks did the right or wrong thing releasing documents? or, on a jailbreak community website that censorship is necessary?
12-21-2010, 06:09 PM #42
Unfortunate decision. But hell...I never used the app anyway, and it's not like its suddenly hard to get the information if you want it.
#1 - the government isn't like your mother. it is not your parent and its actions are accountable to the people. If you remove that critical check and balance, you forefit your ability to retain control over why your government is doing. "Trust us" is not acceptable.
#2 - Imagine if the Abu Ghraib story had not leaked. We'd probably STILL be torturing people out there and wondering why there are more and more terrorists growing in Iraq. I laugh at those who suggest they'd rather operate in a world where they don't know what their government is or isn't doing. How will you know if they're doing enough to protect us? How will you know if they're not doing enough? How will you know if they're doing THE WRONG THINGS that will make us ultimately less safe? You know, like arming Hussein in the 80s. Like supplying money and support to Bin Laden in the 70s back when they were fighting the Russians? Like covering up torture (see: Abu Ghraib) or dealing in illegal weapons (see: recent UK-US leak about cluster bombs)? How do you propose to hold anyone accountable for anything if you don't know what's happened?
This is the same mentality that doesn't get it when people said events like 9/11 were "chickens coming home to roost" because they were unaware of the things we (by way of our government) were supporting overseas.
#3 - Only an informed population can balance its government in a democracy. Willingness to hand that essential burden of democracy (accountability to the people and transparency) over out of convenience is asking for trouble while being totally unprepared for it when it comes because only a few knew what was going on in the first place. It also opens you up to be manipulated by half-truths and outright lies. Pardon, I don't want to live in blissful ignorance. I want to live in the reality of what's happening and seek changes where they need to be made so that we don't lose everything we hold dear.
Airport Security: Loaded Gun Slips Past TSA Screeners - ABC News
Fortunately a little bit leaked. And you know what that does? It forces TSA officials and employees to step up and do a better damn job...and to get improvements made faster. You know what would have happened if nothing had leaked? They would have kept trudging along slowly, like the government does most of the time...and employees would continue to be mediocre, lulled into a sense of security by boredom. Nobody moving in any particular hurry while the risk to the public remains high, yet unreported to those at risk. Exposing things has a way of lighting a fire under officials and their employees, don't you think?
No, we're talking about abuse of power in its easiest to understand and most basic form. Yes, some things should be classified. Secret names, codes, tactical information (positions of military assets and quantities, for example). But violations, misdeeds, shady dealings, and questionable policies and relationships both militarily and politically need to be parsed and addressed via public discourse for the sake of all. Not hidden away and then apologized without any doubt or scrutiny. It gives way too much power, authority and trust to those with the ability to "classify" information without any accountability.
Be upset that our government and military have done things shocking enough or embarrassing enough that people in power want them to be hidden for the sake of their jobs, rather than upset that the information leaked. It's a bit like a cheating spouse being upset that their secret got out rather than embarrassed they were cheating.
Every one of our lives is at stake. Expect more, hide less. Thanks.
though to be fair, we're talking apples and oranges. but your point remains.
Last edited by adrian1480; 12-21-2010 at 06:19 PM.
12-21-2010, 06:21 PM #43
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12-21-2010, 06:38 PM #46
C-L-O-S-E-D T-H-R-E-A-D . a
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12-21-2010, 06:46 PM #48
It's closed? Than how am I posting here?
12-21-2010, 06:50 PM #49
12-21-2010, 06:59 PM #50
Actually, DON'T turn the tv on and research it yourselves on the interwebs. Television is comletely one sided and is making assange look like a terrorist himself.
Very sad that some people here do not question what the government is doing on other countries.
Enjoy your "freedom" everybody, while it lasts. I also hope people who post in this thread read some of the released cables beforehand.
12-21-2010, 08:37 PM #51
This site is starting to turn political with agendas... Mainly poking issues to spark contravery between its readers. Most of us come he to get the latest and greatest; JB, Unlock, tips and tricks etc... Usually everyone plays nice then BOOM... out comes an article from ---Yup you guessed it....Messany... Then here is how it goes...
several people bash the article (using their free speech...
MMI "police" comes out and removes posts and threatens
people complain ---Hey he is just expressing free speech...
Police respond---that will not be tolerated!
someone complains about an article
police respond---If you don't like it don't read it ... its free speech...
Just posting some joking fun in the form of free speech... ;-)
Oh WikiLeaks="its all about me and I don't care who could possibly die because of me wanting to be controversial"
So what article is next??? iTunes is going to put out a *** app for the military since the DADT policy has been overturned?
How about posting,,,hmmm, lets see..... WIKiJAILBREAK Leaks or WIKIUnlock Leaks... Im just saying....
Happy Holidays ALL...
12-21-2010, 08:41 PM #52
12-21-2010, 08:59 PM #53
Someone really needs to close this damned thread. (I'm not anti-free-speech, I'm anti-off-topic-flamewars-that-have-nothing-to-do-with-the-rest-of-the-site.)
12-21-2010, 10:02 PM #54
12-21-2010, 10:27 PM #55
Wow, this wikileaks is a real threat to the system. Like there's something they don't want us to see.....can't wait
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12-21-2010, 10:38 PM #56
who will honestly use their iPhone to read the millions of documents wikileaks has? Talk about obsessive no life....
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12-21-2010, 11:26 PM #59
Why is everyone crying about it being off topic? It's fun!! I love when people argue. If you don't like it don't read it.
12-21-2010, 11:54 PM #60
^It's because people are getting fowl-mouthed and angry. It's an embarrassment to this site and the jailbreaking community. People should be able to talk without name calling and mindless trolling. I bet many of these people wouldn't say the things they do if this were a real intelligent debate and not just a free-for-all flamewar environment. The off-topic-ness is just the icing on the annoying and bitter cake! I love to come here and joke and help people, not defend myself and others against people calling names like bi** boi and crap. Then you have the people wearing tin foil hats wanting to believe the government is trying to kill everybody.