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    Default Cydia Acquires Rock.app


    It's been a year and a half since Rock Your Phone first made live their Rock.app store for 3rd party iPhone apps. Over the past few months, the folks who own both stores (Jay Freeman and Mario Ciabarra) have been working through a huge deal, which has come to public fruition tonight - Cydia is acquiring Rock. Well, technically, SaurikIT, LLC is acquiring Rock Your Phone, Inc (let's use correct business names here).

    Details of the acquisition have not been made public, but here's what it means to you: Rock.app will essentially dwindle away. There will be a transitional period for the next 10 days where users can purchase/download apps and licenses in Rock. After that, users will use their Cydia Store login to retrieve their purchased apps. The large majority of themes/apps from Rock will be moved over to Cydia (most are already there right now). Rock will have a notice on it's first page, and APT updates will discontinue in the near future (so Rock would be useless even if you had it). I chatted with Mario Ciabarra (CEO and founder of Rock Your Phone) and he had this to say about the acquisition:

    It's been a fun ride. We set out to change the landscape and I think we were very successful. I think we contributed to attracting more business professionals to the iPhone jailbreak community, and added some great functionality to the platform. The current transaction with Cydia is a great opportunity for us. We're going to miss some of the excitement, but no reason for anyone to worry. I, personally, will be spending even more time in Intelliborn apps development (both existing and exciting new projects). A few months ago, Jay and I sat down together and we realized, I enjoyed making apps more (and was better at it), while Jay enjoys providing platform functionality. It was a win-win for both groups and we're excited about the transition.
    Ciabarra, aka psuskeels, has been making jailbreak apps since very early on in the scene (Intelliscreen came out in May of 2008) - just a couple months after Cydia's February 2008 release. And while Intelliborn will still be a big player in the iPhone 3rd party apps scene, Rock will not. All the Intelliborn apps, like MyWi, Tlert, MyProfiles, My3G, Intelliscreen, etc will all remain available and development will be continued on them. They will all be available solely in Cydia now. In fact, this move means a total of over 21,000 iPhone extensions, apps, and themes are now in Cydia which are not available in the Apple AppStore.

    There's been a fierce undercurrent in many communities this past 18 months of "loyalty" to one of the two major jailbreak AppStores, with conversations in high gear lauding one or the other, bringing up this point or that point, etc. Many had both installed, and everyone had a preference. One thing can be said - it was a good run. You can't argue that Cydia isn't a more technically thorough solution, but the user experience of Rock.app was preferred by many. And the numbers are impressive - check these out from the Rock Your Phone news post about the acquisition:

    • Number of Developers with apps listed in the Rock Store: 124 (from 19 countries)
    • Unique iOS devices that installed Rock: 4.6 million (from 220 countries/territories) - Wow that is a lot of places!
    • Registered Rock Users: 2+ million
    • Number of App licenses sold: 500,000
    • Users of who took the plunge and bought something: 280,000 (from 185 countries)
    • Total Rock Your Phone Store revenue (March 12th, 2009 - September 2010): $3.3+ million
    • Number of Rock Employees (we are using the word employee loosely here but, hey, it is our company): 9


    After jailbreaking was officially declared legal in late July, there's been an even larger focus on the jailbreak community, or 3rd party iPhone developers. This acquisition makes Cydia and Cydia Store the clear leader in iPhone 3rd party package management. Exciting times ahead...

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    Most of those addons/apps on Rock are stupid expensive. What are the chances on those price-tags coming down...

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    Whoa.. This is huge news! I'm excited to see where this goes.

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    so wait, are we going to be able to use the rock style installer still? im confused lol. cydia sucks hardcore

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    I don't use Rock, but this is kind of disappointing. Competition is a good thing, and saurik hasn't exactly been speedy with the updates lately as it is. We still don't even have a Cydia icon that's made for the retina display...

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbs View Post
    I don't use Rock, but this is kind of disappointing. Competition is a good thing, and saurik hasn't exactly been speedy with the updates lately as it is. We still don't even have a Cydia icon that's made for the retina display...
    Actually, the Cydia bootstrap that came with the iPhone 4 jailbreak contained an iPhone 4 Retina icon. Here is a screenshot from the the day jailbreak launched:

    http://modmyi.com/images/jbip4.jpg

    If you do not have that icon it is bceause comex's jailbreak got broken at some point and he stopped installing it. This will be fixed in the next Cydia update (I've been avoiding updates to the ecosystem while we finish working out this merging of interests, so chpwn has had time to start helping with the Cydia codebase, which is awesome).

    Quote Originally Posted by J Sweeney View Post
    Will Cydia have features that Rock had such as backups, really fast loading and a better UI
    Rock's backup feature will be coming to Cydia. Rock only had faster loading because it did not honor APT correctly, so there were numerous buggy situations where you got screwed: there was even a recent time when Rock was screwing up an installation so core that everyone had to restore... Rock's speed was just because it was sloppy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saurik View Post
    Actually, the Cydia bootstrap that came with the iPhone 4 jailbreak contained an iPhone 4 Retina icon. Here is a screenshot from the the day jailbreak launched:

    http://modmyi.com/images/jbip4.jpg

    If you do not have that icon it is bceause comex's jailbreak got broken at some point and he stopped installing it. This will be fixed in the next Cydia update (I've been avoiding updates to the ecosystem while we finish working out this merging of interests, so chpwn has had time to start helping with the Cydia codebase, which is awesome).
    I stand corrected

    Don't get me wrong, I use Debian systems all the time for work and have great respect for what you've done with Cydia. Congrats on making it into something so ubiquitous and profitable.

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    dang... i like rock a lot, cydia has a lot of work to do....

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    Wow this sucks, I love Rock, Cydia is a slow, prehistoric looking piece of crap. The developer seriously needs to completely rewrite Cydia before it can even be considered somewhat useful.

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    Saurik, I too have emailed, tweeted, everything you many times and have never gotten a response other than a LONG time ago when you allowed direct messaging via Twitter. Now even that's gone.

    Before I begin, let me start by saying I love Cydia, better than Rock by far, and the work done on it was tremendous.. but the lack of updates is more than disappointing, and Rock has shown us what can be done. I may sound cynical in these posts, but I'm trying to relay some of the frustration using Cydia, and what needs to be improved now that it's the sole tool we will be using for 3rd party app installation.

    In order for Cydia to be the tool it should be, a few things need to be changed:

    1. Allow the enabling/disabling of sources without removing them. Sometimes we like having a source around, but don't want it cluttering up everything. Other times, we just want to refresh specific sources. This is not hard.

    2. Better queue management. I should be able to remove one item from the queue without deleting the entire queue. This also is not hard.

    3. IOS4 fixes. The red dots below Changes that says the number of updates doesn't even appear on IOS4. The "Q'd" red dot doesn't appear when a queue is present either.

    4. Force options. I have installed or uninstalled more than one package that have conflicting prerequisites. I should be able to force install or force uninstall any package I want despite the requirements of the package. The potential for problems is there, but people who jailbreak and then actually use this feature usually know what they're doing. It's not your responsibility to prevent me from screwing up my phone anymore than it's Steve's responsibility to keep my impressionable eyes away from porn.

    5. Continue installing after an error. Enough said. If Cydia can't download each and every package without something going wrong, my entire damn queue is lost and I have to recreate it, hoping Cydia doesn't crash along the way.. and that I left out whatever package was 'bad'. Download and then install each package individually if you have to, but don't wipe my whole queue.

    6. Themes and apps need to be separated. Separate change queues, and separate info viewers. I can't stand having to click a theme based on its' name, wait for that page to load, find out where THIS particular repo has placed their screenshots or more info link, click that, wait for that to load.. it's crap. I should be able to pick a category (Springboard, SBSettings, etc) and flick through a bunch of theme screenshots and stop on the one I like.

    Last but not least..

    7. ADD THE ABILITY TO WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN, or reinstall Cydia. I can't tell you how many times I've had to figure out obscure pkgd commands because some damn package gets stuck while installing and corrupts everything I try to install, or manually delete some .list files because I typed in a bad repo url. There really is no recovering from some Cydia problems, and this needs to be addressed. Restoring should not be required to wipe out Cydia and APT. Just give me a nuke button (or even some complete removal instructions) and I'll re-jailbreak if that's what it takes.
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    This is a shame. I mean it's great seeing the merger and people can focus on just making the apps more than which store to put it on, but I will miss the Rock app itself. Rock was much faster, yes I read the post saying because it was buggier which caused it to be faster, but also I found it has less issues when looking at the apps, I can read reviews on it and see ratings and other things of that nature. The fact it showed apps in order of release was also nice. I also preferred the Rock installer pop-up more than the Cydia installer. I would like to see this as an opportunity to not only merge the stores, but merge the best things from the two apps themselves.

    I love Cydia a lot too, I love how it has grown and what you have done with it. If it wasn't for Cydia, jailbreaking would have been very boring, so I can't thank you enough for it. I feel Cydia will be getting even better with this merger.

    I used both apps frequently, I liked Cydia for added sources, and I liked Rock to see what's new and to quickly manage my apps.
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    Well I'm a dev so I'm moving my stuff offer soon. Please welcome me to Cydia

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    Default Remove ROCK?
    So should I just go ahead and remove Rock from my packages?

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    Default Nooooooo!!!!!!!!
    Why everybody tries to create monopoly?

    Congratulations saurik... do you feel better now that there are no other options left but cydia?

    Leave jailbreaking scene free... that was the point back in the days...

    you could enter a free world where nobody was setting rules... a world where you could choose on your own...

    Now what!? Icy is gone, Rock is gone, Cydia lives... just like second Apple...

    I am not particularly against Cydia because i use it a lot... but please Give ROCK back to those who liked it!!! otherwise it is an unfair game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saurik View Post
    Actually, the Cydia bootstrap that came with the iPhone 4 jailbreak contained an iPhone 4 Retina icon. Here is a screenshot from the the day jailbreak launched:

    http://modmyi.com/images/jbip4.jpg

    If you do not have that icon it is bceause comex's jailbreak got broken at some point and he stopped installing it. This will be fixed in the next Cydia update (I've been avoiding updates to the ecosystem while we finish working out this merging of interests, so chpwn has had time to start helping with the Cydia codebase, which is awesome).



    Rock's backup feature will be coming to Cydia. Rock only had faster loading because it did not honor APT correctly, so there were numerous buggy situations where you got screwed: there was even a recent time when Rock was screwing up an installation so core that everyone had to restore... Rock's speed was just because it was sloppy.
    Nice, took him less than 10 minutes to respond to you specifically, what are you complaining about.

    Thanks a lot for the work buddy, keep up the good work Saurik

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    Great news!! I dont like rock anyways. when i closed rock after i used it for the first time all of my icons on my springboard disappeared so i never used it again.
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    Congrats to both Saurik and psuskeels.
    Your contribution and support to the iPhone community is immensely appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by saurik View Post
    Actually, the Cydia bootstrap that came with the iPhone 4 jailbreak contained an iPhone 4 Retina icon. Here is a screenshot from the the day jailbreak launched:

    http://modmyi.com/images/jbip4.jpg

    If you do not have that icon it is bceause comex's jailbreak got broken at some point and he stopped installing it. This will be fixed in the next Cydia update (I've been avoiding updates to the ecosystem while we finish working out this merging of interests, so chpwn has had time to start helping with the Cydia codebase, which is awesome).

    Rock's backup feature will be coming to Cydia. Rock only had faster loading because it did not honor APT correctly, so there were numerous buggy situations where you got screwed: there was even a recent time when Rock was screwing up an installation so core that everyone had to restore... Rock's speed was just because it was sloppy.


    So, OK we, Rock users are totally stupid: Rock was far snappier only because it was in fact terribly buggy. Using it over Cydia since day one, I have never experienced a single bug or crash, though, but I guess I must be a singularity?
    Rock was so utterly sloppy, that’s why so many people used it and loved it. People love sloppy, buggy things, everyone knows that.

    Now, to be honest, I have used Cydia on different occasions — for about an hour total, at most. It’s always been slow, buggy and absolutely horrible in terms of both design and user-friendly experience.

    As pointed here in several other posts, certain Rock’s features were truly awesome, like the automatic backup of installed apps, for example.
    Of course, the same can be achieved with Cydia apparently, there’s an app for that! Duh! *yawn*

    All in all, as much as change is (most of the time, not always) a rather good thing, as much walking backwards just really sucks. Big time! A bit like craving to go back to the Dark Ages in the Land of Freedom, you know..? But, back to subject.

    To sum my feeling about it, 2 things:

    1) I agree with some people here that competition is always far much better than monopole. This, is valid in everything. Doesn’t take many firing synapses.

    2) If only for the interface, this merging is like a big announcement by Microsoft that they bought Apple and that, from now on, Snow Leopard and future releases will look and feel just like the old OS 7.0 (a major improvement from Vista) — YaY!
    NOT!

    It pretty much comes down to the old PC vs. Mac thing, I guess, where on the one hand we have countless cables and blinking lights (yay! Christmas Tree!), hordes of viruses — but as many hordes of anti-viruses, because, hey, we’ve got ba||$ and we’re gonna fight the (beep)!!! even though it often bugs our system — etc, while on the other hand we have a gorgeous, intuitive and ultra-smooth experience.
    It reminds me of that guy who bought a G5 Mac only to open it, take out all of its content, and stuff it with his PC motherboard, RAM and disks.

    Unless Cydia gets seriously revamped and adds all of Rock’s cool features, this is going to suck donkey ∂|cK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saurik View Post
    Rock's backup feature will be coming to Cydia. Rock only had faster loading because it did not honor APT correctly, so there were numerous buggy situations where you got screwed: there was even a recent time when Rock was screwing up an installation so core that everyone had to restore... Rock's speed was just because it was sloppy.
    You bought something that was "Sloppy" ... That isn't a good business plan. Or could it be that Rock was only going to get better? Its not bad business to say that your competition was getting to big and you wanted to buy them out.

    I think this was a good move but don't bash the product that you just bought.

    I hope that The Rock crew does keeps developing apps, they have make some of the best.

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