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Thread: About Those VeriPhone Rumors...
08-13-2010, 10:10 PM #61
I read that too and i want to say its only after they upgrade their network. This is a big benefit for me. I personally have a 3gs but i also have a droid x thru work. Verizon seems snappier at times but i hate not being able to access web/emails/maps while on the phone.
08-13-2010, 11:01 PM #62
500 million CDMA users in China, 90 mill GSM At&t USA?? Why not make one? Close to 95 mill CDMA on Verizon? why not?
08-14-2010, 12:12 AM #63
08-14-2010, 02:24 AM #64
it may be, but think about it....Why make millions of dollars with just one company, instead of with two. Apple is all about profits, and if Verizon can make them more money than they are already making, why not....lol...Its the power of the dollar, nobody is going to deny more money
08-14-2010, 04:45 AM #65
I doubt if this is going to happen - but I could be wrong.
But a couple of points:
1) Outside the USA and China CDMA is virtually non existent. A few small carriers have it, lots more tried it and dumped it. In Canada the CDMA networks now use GSM as well so they can have the iPhone and I believe Australasia has now converted to GSM only (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong)
2) In China the 3G network was split between 4 networks, 2 GSM and 2 CDMA - they do not know which networks will emerge as superior and are still testing, it is very early days but a very big market.
3) Sprint/T-Mobile? Why? The reason Apple are interested in Verizon is because of the numbers. I don't believe Sprint or T-Mobile have the subscribers to warrant changes. While all it would take to enable it on T is a chip that allows their frequency I don't believe there is a chip that allows all frequencies and they are unlikely to manufacture separate phones just for T.
4) If it goes to Verizon will it be JB/Unlocked? JB, probably. Unlocked? Is it possible? Have any CDMA phones been unlocked? I don't know a lot about CDMA but I believe the device has to be paired with the service by the service provider, unlocking certainly won't be as 'easy' as with GSM and I am not sure it's possible. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
5) I don't believe it is as simple as replacing the GSM chips with CDMA chips, I believe most of the ancillary processors would need to be replaced as well but hardware is not my strong point. I do believe it will be a different beast altogether which will cause all sorts of challenges.
I have used the term 'CDMA' as interchangeable with CDMA2000 as used by Verizon and 'GSM' as interchangeable with GSM/WCDMA used by AT&T and other carriers in all it's forms.He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
08-14-2010, 05:28 AM #66
08-14-2010, 11:48 AM #67
I don't believe in the Verizon rumors what so ever, hell I dont even like Verizon.BUT I think we are forgetting that verizon has used a sim card in the past..blackberry storm anyone ? So saying they would need a totally different phone is NOT exactly needed.
08-14-2010, 12:01 PM #68
The only reason any Verizon phone has had a SIM card slot, past or present, is so that they could use the term "World Phone", as having a GSM radio installed was the only way they could ensure that such a device would have service anywhere else in the world. Over here, they were intended to just run on the CDMA network.
08-14-2010, 01:12 PM #69
I'm so over these posts, my bad for reading it!!
08-14-2010, 02:46 PM #70
Proud to be an Apple user since 1990... at the age of 4.
08-14-2010, 09:42 PM #71
I love these kinds of threads! Love the rumors and love the responses!
08-14-2010, 10:00 PM #72
Rogers still uses GSM for phone calls and texts (95% of canadians are covered by it) and when possible, we use HSPA+ for internet (88% of canadians are covered by it).
Hope I cleared things up, not confused you
08-15-2010, 04:02 AM #73
GSM/WCDMA is all part of the 3GPP which extends from GSM->3G->HSDPA->HSDPA+ (which will go up to 84 Mbit/s with release 9) and extends to LTE (hence the name Long Term Evolution) which is just an evolution and extension of these standards.
This is why I said that I used the term GSM (as it is one that most people recognise to include all the GSM/WCDMA technologies up to and including LTE rather than try and list the individual technologies used by individual companies.He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
08-15-2010, 08:25 AM #74
^GSM is 3G
08-15-2010, 11:03 AM #75
No, GSM is 2G
3G is UMTS
as is HSDPA
They are all part of 3GPP
If you want to know more try starting at 3GPP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you want more technical details on any of these technologies I'm sure I could dig something out of my archives.He who asks a question looks foolish for 5 minutes. He who doesn't ask a question remains foolish forever.
08-15-2010, 11:26 PM #76
So...if a CDMA iphone gets released, can i flash it cricket and pay $40/month for unlimited voice, messing, and data?
08-16-2010, 12:46 AM #77
08-16-2010, 06:43 AM #78
08-16-2010, 07:31 AM #79
Is there such a thing as a quad band 3G chip? If so, can it be manufactured in sufficient quantities?
08-21-2010, 02:15 AM #80