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Thread: iPhone 4 Activation Without Original SIM Card

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    You will be able to use your phone on ATT with an iPhone data plan. This is only a problem for people NOT activating with ATT. Your worse case scenario is that you would have to go into the ATT store and get it done there.

    As long as you are in the US and have access to an ATT store - you should be fine. But people shouldn't be selling unactivated iphones - especially if they bought them through Apple.com - as opposed to directly from a bricks and mortar Apple Store or from ATT.

    I4's bought through Apple.com have to be activated using the SSN of the person who bought the phone. ATT can override the need for a SSN - but the line the phone was originally intended for will become inactive and will need a new SIM card. I had another situation where a phone received as an upgrade (from Apple.com) for one line was to be used on a different line on the same family plan. The phone had to be activated on the line it was originally intended for. Then the number attached to the i4 was changed to the one we wanted to use. The SIM in the upgraded line no longer worked and needed to be replaced.

    Does that make sense?
    tldr - if you buy an unactivated i4 - you might need to go to the ATT store to get it activated - but you should be alright. However the person who sold you the iphone may need to get a new SIM card and reactivate the line that they received the upgrade on.

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by SAVAGE5 View Post
    Can I activate a i4 off ebay with this problem if I have AT&T and iPhone data plan?
    Most likely they will insist on a 2yr contract though. The whole point seems to be that these phones are not yet accepted by Apple/AT&T as having completely satisfied the requirement to take on a 2yr contract. If so, you're left probably having paid paid 2-3x the cost of a subsidized phone - and still having to accept the subsidy terms....meaning you got nothing beyond having bought a phone with contract from AT&T for the $199/$299 subsidized price

  3. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by rlsolomon View Post
    Most likely they will insist on a 2yr contract though.
    I don't think that this is the case. I just checked the ATT contracts online - and in the scenario that I referred to below - the line that received an upgrade but was reactivated to use the 3gs has had 2 years extended on the contract. However, the line that was activated at the ATT store to actually use the iphone 4 has not been extended....

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    Sounds about right, they'd only make you extend the plan if you wanted a discount on the phone. So if you're on month to month and plan on staying with them, might as well get a cheap phone and sell it later on when you're eligible.

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    Just my opinion but the person who bought the Iphone 4 as an upgrade is the one that has agreed to the contract by 2 years.

    I don't see anyway around this.

    What I thought was going on is that the person bought the iphone 4 for the $199 upgrade and say he has a 3gs would just agreed to the 2 year contract and continue to use his 3gs.

    If the person who bought the iphone 4 upgrade for $199 thinking he could sell the iphone and the person who bought the iphone 4 would be the one that would have the 2 year contract I think they are mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treesrgreen View Post
    I don't think that this is the case. I just checked the ATT contracts online - and in the scenario that I referred to below - the line that received an upgrade but was reactivated to use the 3gs has had 2 years extended on the contract. However, the line that was activated at the ATT store to actually use the iphone 4 has not been extended....
    I think you're missing the point - the seller(s) in these cases WILL NOT provide the information to activate and AT&T won't let you activate someone else's line (for obvious reasons). As you yourself stated:

    Quote Originally Posted by treesrgreen View Post
    The phone had to be activated on the line it was originally intended for.
    I do not have personal experience actually trying to get AT&T to activate a phone on my account which is already tied to someone else's. I did however call Apple about the phone I had in this situation and they told me that AT&T would require the contract.... I personally wouldn't want to show up at an AT&T store with such a phone and risk having the police called or my account extended or whatever. YMMV of course, and I would welcome any firsthand experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by area51crypto View Post
    If the person who bought the iphone 4 upgrade for $199 thinking he could sell the iphone and the person who bought the iphone 4 would be the one that would have the 2 year contract I think they are mistaken.
    I believe the proper term for this is "fraud", but it seems quite clear (from this thread and others) that some people ARE trying to pull it off - with at least partial success (by harming the subsequent purchaser). I certainly hope that AT&T and Apple charge these frauds the appropriate monetary penalties, but it nonetheless leaves later buyers in limbo.

    Who believes that once Apple charges the original purchaser's credit card for the $400 difference in subsidized vs non-subsidized price that they will release the interlock on the account so the final purchaser can activate the phone without contract???? I certainly didn't and don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by area51crypto View Post
    What I thought was going on is that the person bought the iphone 4 for the $199 upgrade and say he has a 3gs would just agreed to the 2 year contract and continue to use his 3gs.
    To be sure, we do have one honest seller posting here who did this in good faith and reported on the state of his account, etc. His buyer had to pull some (unknown) shennanigans to get the phone activated on the seller's account. In that case the seller was quite willing to co-operate, but struggled with the logistics and privacy issues. He at least was clearly NOT trying to defraud anyone, quite the contrary!

    Sadly you'll note the majority of firsthand posters have the exact opposite experience.
    Last edited by rlsolomon; 08-23-2010 at 07:25 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

  7. #267
    I've got a 'contract-free' version of the iphone 4 which I intended to unlock to use with my carrier in the UAE>
    Upon getting the phone I notice that it has a dummy AT&T sim, the phone seems to have been activated by the seller, but the firmware is 4.0.2, so I'll have to wait till the new firmware is JB'd and finally unlocked.

    My question is, when I restore or upgrade to a newer firmware, will the SSN screen come up on itunes for the same info? Will it appear everytime? Ive not yet connected the phone to itunes yet.

    Someone please help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlsolomon View Post
    I think you're missing the point - the seller(s) in these cases WILL NOT provide the information to activate and AT&T won't let you activate someone else's line (for obvious reasons). As you yourself stated:



    I do not have personal experience actually trying to get AT&T to activate a phone on my account which is already tied to someone else's. I did however call Apple about the phone I had in this situation and they told me that AT&T would require the contract.... I personally wouldn't want to show up at an AT&T store with such a phone and risk having the police called or my account extended or whatever. YMMV of course, and I would welcome any firsthand experience.



    I believe the proper term for this is "fraud", but it seems quite clear (from this thread and others) that some people ARE trying to pull it off - with at least partial success (by harming the subsequent purchaser). I certainly hope that AT&T and Apple charge these frauds the appropriate monetary penalties, but it nonetheless leaves later buyers in limbo.

    Who believes that once Apple charges the original purchaser's credit card for the $400 difference in subsidized vs non-subsidized price that they will release the interlock on the account so the final purchaser can activate the phone without contract???? I certainly didn't and don't.



    To be sure, we do have one honest seller posting here who did this in good faith and reported on the state of his account, etc. His buyer had to pull some (unknown) shennanigans to get the phone activated on the seller's account. In that case the seller was quite willing to co-operate, but struggled with the logistics and privacy issues. He at least was clearly NOT trying to defraud anyone, quite the contrary!

    Sadly you'll note the majority of firsthand posters have the exact opposite experience.
    Wow you must be a lawyer.

    I am going to do this as I think what has happened.

    Say I am available for an upgrade to the iPhone 4 for the $199 and 2 year contract.

    Say I have a 3gs and I am quite satisfied with it.

    Say I see that I can purchase the iPhone 4 for the $199 and sell it for say $500.

    That would be a profit of $301 dollars.

    But I do understand that no matter what I do with the iPhone 4 I will be under a contract for 2 years with the carrier AT&T and the reason I say AT&T is that I live in the USA and I don't know how things work outside the USA.

    Say I agree to sell you the iPhone 4 with the box sealed and en tact!

    Say you decide to buy the iPhone 4 as stated.

    I have not committed FRAUD as I have done what I have stated I would do and so have you.

    As far as that goes I have done my part and did nothing wrong.

    What has happened here is that Apple and or AT&T has done the shenanigans, either on purpose or accidently, they have created the activation problem.

    Now me being the person I am would simply return the monies the buyer paid me for the iPhone 4 in return for the iPhone purchased and in still new condition as not damaged.

    I realize that not all people would do this but that is just life.

    I personally would not do this as the person who purchased the iPhone 4 would, for a period or time think I should warranty anything that happened to the iPhone. I have seen several iPhone 4 for sale on Craigslist with broken screens because somebody dropped them. I think the iPhone 4 is the most fragile iPhone made. On another note the purchaser could mess the iPhone 4 up trying to jailbreak or after jailbreaking installing something harmful to the iphone and that is why I would not sell one.

    Yes it is sad as some people do not care after the sale but I would hate to know I sold an iPhone 4 for $500 and the buyer could not use it.

    In all I think all of the people who sold iPhone 4 did it with honesty they just like the buyer did not know what was going to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by luckyarcher View Post
    I've got a 'contract-free' version of the iphone 4 which I intended to unlock to use with my carrier in the UAE>
    Upon getting the phone I notice that it has a dummy AT&T sim, the phone seems to have been activated by the seller, but the firmware is 4.0.2, so I'll have to wait till the new firmware is JB'd and finally unlocked.

    My question is, when I restore or upgrade to a newer firmware, will the SSN screen come up on itunes for the same info? Will it appear everytime? Ive not yet connected the phone to itunes yet.

    Someone please help.
    When you turn on the phone is it at the Emergency Call with Connect to Itunes in the background?
    Last edited by area51crypto; 08-28-2010 at 10:24 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Quote Originally Posted by area51crypto View Post
    When you turn on the phone is it at the Emergency Call with Connect to Itunes in the background?
    Nothing of that sort. The phone functions fine (minus the phone part of course); I even logged into the appstore and installed an app or two. Im just scared that if a CFW were to be released in the future would the phone ask me for the SSN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyarcher View Post
    Nothing of that sort. The phone functions fine (minus the phone part of course); I even logged into the appstore and installed an app or two. Im just scared that if a CFW were to be released in the future would the phone ask me for the SSN?

    I think you are good to go.

    Congrats

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    Thanks..the wait for 4.1 is killing me!

  13. #272
    Hi guys i hope you can answer my questions...
    1) If I get the original (the one that came with the iphone) will I still need the zip code and ssn information? Just as any sim?
    2) If I get a sim with contract will I be able to activate it if this sim owner put his/her ssn/zip info?

    Thanks guys, sorry to ask but Im stuck since 3.1.3...just waiting for a miracle (hacktivation)

  14. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by Dors View Post
    Hi guys i hope you can answer my questions...
    1) If I get the original (the one that came with the iphone) will I still need the zip code and ssn information? Just as any sim?
    2) If I get a sim with contract will I be able to activate it if this sim owner put his/her ssn/zip info?

    Thanks guys, sorry to ask but Im stuck since 3.1.3...just waiting for a miracle (hacktivation)
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    iPhone 4 Activation Without Original SIM Card

    To all Iphone 4 and 3GS new boot rom oweners that are stuck on the SSN & Zip Code Screen, there are NO SOLUTION to bypass and activate your phone!!! NO phonebook sim card, DITS, a friend's active IP4 sim, DFU, or any other solutions would work. Don't waste your time & more $$.

    Your phone was bought from the Apple online store and is locked to the original owner's account who likely got the IP4/ 3GS at a discount and therefore extending the contract, but has not fulfill his/her end of the commitment to the carrier (AT&T) by activating the IP4 with their 4 digits SSN & Zip Code. Phones bought from AT&T directly or other partners DO NOT have this problem (hence susceptible to the sherif hasim method of the phonebook sim card hack).

    I have spent countless hours already on this topic since 3.1.3 (1.5 years and counting) and THERE IS NOT SOLUTION. YOU HAVE A USELESS BRICK.

    THE ONLY SOLUTION is if the dev team find a way to hactivate the device on the next jailbreak (which is NOT their priority as people like us are in the minority). You can feel free to petition to the dev team on twitter (MuscleNerd, pod2g, planetbeing, iphone_dev) on this.

    The only other solution is to get the original owner's SSN and zip or return for another phone.

  15. #274
    If I successfully activate the phone with an SSN and a zip code, and then restore (or update) it, will I have to enter the SSN and the zip code again when I reactivate it?

    I'm asking this because I'm planning to buy an activated iPhone 4 from eBay. The seller might have had it activated with his SSN and zip code, but in case I restore the phone will I need the SSN and zip code again?

  16. #275
    There is another solution. You have the seller phone number (itunes), you can find the rest at the at&t activation page https://www.wireless.att.com/activations/
    Needs patience.

    No! You can restore without have to use the SSN and ZIP CODE again
    Last edited by iphoneuser7; 09-23-2010 at 07:00 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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