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Originally Posted by topless1967stang Regardless of lab tests, the death grip is a real problem in real life situations. When I try the death grip, my download speed goes down...
07-14-2010, 03:29 PM #61
07-14-2010, 03:41 PM #62
^^How do you do reasearch when you pre-order the phone? That is when this problem first come up. Yes people can return it, but many people sold their previous iPhone for this new one (thankfully I was not one of them). If they buy another phone they lose all the Apps they paid with their hard earned money.
It is Steve Jobs fault for claiming this new phone is revolutionary, it has best reception of all iPhones when it clearly does not. And guess what this return policy did not come up until recently. So Steve need to stop putting band-aid on a problem and fix the problem, because I can guaranty you that Apple lost quite a bit of former loyal customer already.
07-14-2010, 04:12 PM #63
These "reports" are hilarious. None of them matter to me. When "I" grab my iPhone in the same manner I've grabbed EVERY phone I've ever owned, and the call drops and/or the signal drops to almost nil, well my evidence is right in-hand. They can argue and argue over scientific mumbo-jumbo, but this caveman knows a difference just by testing it in reality. ugh. Fapple.
07-14-2010, 04:20 PM #64
Still not too late for the nation-wide refund campaign against the iPhone 4. There's got to be at least half a million people experiencing this issue by now.
Half a million refunds equals mega losses for Apple and a serious b*tch-slap wake up call.
07-14-2010, 04:20 PM #65
excuse for irresponsible spending and emotional reactions to a
product. I seriously don't understand why people buy something
expensive without testing the damn thing first, figuring out whether
it works to their satisfaction and deem it worthy of purchase before they buy it. If
you're stupid enough to buy something blindly, you deserve what you
fault for rushing out and making a commitment to buy something they've
never seen. You're making a childish argument that it's someone else's
fault that you bought something blindly without finding out if it
worked first. Would you buy a TV or a car by watching a press conference? No. It's no ones fault that you aren't happy with something
you've never used or seen but yours.
Either way, people are stupid for lining up to buy a product sight unseen and then are complete dumbasses for demanding that their product be fixed when there is no proof that the condition is universally broken on every handset sold, and especially so when they can return the product for a full refund with ZERO penalty. It amazes me that people think they are owed a debt to a company that offers products that one is free to purchase or not purchase and has a system in place to return it if you are unhappy for any reason without a penalty. It's no ones fault but yours if you got into a deal you don't want to walk away from if unhappy. Same goes if you weren't prepared if the deal went south. There's nothing forcing you to buy or keep this phone.
07-14-2010, 04:22 PM #66
07-14-2010, 04:46 PM #67
This is no surprise concerning consumer reports. Many if not all or a large sum of their testing is uncontrolled unscientific and blatantly incorrect.
07-14-2010, 04:58 PM #68
07-14-2010, 05:41 PM #69
Apple is sure spending a lot of money on paying engineers to denounce others findings. Won't save you apple.
07-14-2010, 06:37 PM #70
Been checking this site religiusly for months now but this is the first time I needed to post on something. Are you telling me people get paid (probably six figures) in a recession like this to wear lab coats and play with iPhones? Where do I apply?
07-14-2010, 08:06 PM #71
I did my research BEFORE I bought the phone. I got my phone on 23 June about 10:30AM EST. That means I was one of the very first non-Apple employee owners of the iPhone 4. I believe I am the FIRST person to post my 3G upload and download speeds on my iPhone 4, since I did this within 30 minutes of opening my iPhone 4 box. When I DID my RESEARCH, the Apple website did NOT mention that I should NOT hold my phone a certain way.
I like Apple products, but don't try to say they didn't make a mistake. I've had every version of iPhone and even have an iPad and when there is a newer iPhone, I will buy that too.
Don't try to defend someones mistake. You trying to stick up for a mistake makes YOU look like a mistake. And don't you try to tell me how to hold my iPhone 4 either.
Last edited by topless1967stang; 07-14-2010 at 08:09 PM.
07-14-2010, 08:43 PM #72
Again, mad respect for the way you articulated your post. Thanks
07-14-2010, 09:24 PM #73
Consumer protection will be on my side, since Apple did not put out a product they claimed. I seem to recall all the ads saying best reception of all the iPhones, also recall something about upgraded proximity sensor... Yeah another fail on Apple, lots of people reports problems with proximity sensor.
Yes I would pre-order a Mercedes Benz, Toyota, Lexus without testing it first. These are reputable company and will make good if something is wrong, which I thought Apple would do but apparently not. At least to this point, we will just have to see what Apple is going to say on Friday but I would not hold my breath.
I did return the phone, I am now back on iPhone 3GS. But all the apps that I bought can not transfer over to my 3GS, unless you can somehow get iMovies onto 3GS without hacking the program? How about all the other apps I can not transfer?
It is not too much to ask a company to do what they claimed, and the law is on our side because all the printed ads are admissible as evidence. So tomorrow Apple better do the right thing, this can potentially hurt Apple significantly.
07-14-2010, 10:32 PM #74
07-15-2010, 06:30 AM #75
I'll sell ya the keys later
I'm sorry but this all seems a bit harsh. Apple have had 4 generations of iPhone, the product itself over the last few years has earned itself a reputation of being the best at what it does. A product must function as advertised. This one doesn't, hence the shitstorm that has been created.
It's not like it's a brand new product. Both opinions have valid points, but it doesn't excuse the fact that this product doesn't function the way it should
Isn't having a previous model enough research to go by? 3GS works fine
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07-15-2010, 09:47 AM #76
07-15-2010, 12:04 PM #77
Do you know anything about science required to confirm a problem exist for a Consumer Protection Group or are you stuck in high school lab too long? Don't bring up the high school science with controlled group and a test group, that is not needed here. When a poison killed a million rats, and you just want to confirm the poison do kill rats. You feed healthy rats poison and it dies in a few minutes, you do not need a controlled group that did not eat poison and lived to tell you the rats that ate poison died from poison.
Consumer Reports did control an environment better than anyone else so far. I do not see the point of a dummy hand with a normal person's hand conductivity in there with nothing else.
#1 when this phone used in real life it is not used by the Thing from Addam's Family, a real person holding the phone is required for this test to be valid.
#2 when you can reproduce problem already there is no need for Consumer Reports to isolate the problem as to what caused it, it is not their job to fix this only confirm a problem exists. Apple is the one that need to go further to isolate the problem and fix it.
So far Apple's response is ignoring the issue, so good luck on that. They do not fix it with Friday's announcement, time to return the iPhones and dump all your Apple stocks.
Last edited by unison999; 07-15-2010 at 01:20 PM.
07-15-2010, 12:11 PM #78
07-15-2010, 07:22 PM #79
I don't get how having every iPhone since launch. Never having a issue, that Apple didn't take care of. Makes it that I have not learned a lesson. I've never had problems with Apple until now.If I can't mod it...I don't want it.