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    Default Apple Takes Aim at BGR and Fake Steve Jobs Email



    Rumors on the World Wide Web go together as well as peanut butter and jelly. And while Apple has mostly dealt with rumors and erroneous reports by largely ignoring them, the Cupertino-based tech giant has done something rather unprecedented. It's calling out a media source that published false information.

    Recently, BGR published an alleged email correspondence between an angry iPhone 4 customer and Apple CEO Steve Jobs. In the email exchange, Jobs responded to the harsh criticisms with terse, condescending remarks like: "You are getting all worked up over a few days of rumors. Calm down." Within a short period of time, these comments from Steve Jobs exploded across the web and were taken as fact.

    The only problem is that an Apple spokesperson is explicitly addressing the story, which was first covered by BGR. According to Fortune, "Asked on the record whether Steve Jobs was the author of any of these statements, a top Apple spokesman emphatically denied it." Implying that BGR is basically reporting false information, the Apple spokesperson wanted to be clear - Steve Jobs didn't make the comments or draft the email that circulated around the web at lightning speed.

    Of course, it should be noted that the published email, while alleged to be fake, isn't necessarily the brainchild of BGR. In fact, there are hoaxsters just as there are hackers, and they get a thrill by convincing the big boys in print and online media to lend coverage to their fabricated stories. What's more, it's a safe bet that most readers, including our savvy readership at MMi, take every rumored email from Steve Jobs with a grain of salt - a practice that now more than ever warrants continuing.

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    I had a hunch that something was up with that story. It didn't seem like something Steve would say.
    Have they released the jailbreak in the app store yet?

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    How to act like you wrote an e-mail to steve jobs:

    1. Write a 3 paragraph e-mail to describe a one sentence question.
    2. Write back a answer, no more than 10 words, minimum one word, responding to it.
    3. Sign the response "Steve Jobs, Sent from my *insert iDevice here*"
    4. Watch the internet explode.
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    good riddance!!!

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    bleh im not very surprised
    there is no cure for this sickness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messany View Post
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    What's more, it's a safe bet that most readers, including our savvy readership at MMi, take every rumored email from Steve Jobs with a grain of salt - a practice that now more than ever warrants continuing.
    And maybe now certain savvy MMI writers will take rumored reports about a Verizon iPhone with the same grain of salt. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ownerofspam View Post
    How to act like you wrote an e-mail to steve jobs:

    1. Write a 3 paragraph e-mail to describe a one sentence question.
    2. Write back a answer, no more than 10 words, minimum one word, responding to it.
    3. Sign the response "Steve Jobs, Sent from my *insert iDevice here*"
    4. Watch the internet explode.


    except they have the full header file that proves it was from Apple.

    it's below. check out the IP addresses yourself. the only question now is why is Apple lying about it.

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    The entire Steve Jobs email story… It’s real Boy Genius Report

    Come clean, Apple. You'll be hated less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrian1480 View Post
    except they have the full header file that proves it was from Apple.

    it's below. check out the IP addresses yourself. the only question now is why is Apple lying about it.



    The entire Steve Jobs email story… It’s real Boy Genius Report

    Come clean, Apple. You'll be hated less.
    Because it is oh so hard to copy/paste a header from a real email and apply to a fake one

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    i think it hilarious that a adult can act like such a child. if he did it why doesn't he just own up to it instead of blaming other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Messany View Post



    Rumors on the World Wide Web go together as well as peanut butter and jelly. And while Apple has mostly dealt with rumors and erroneous reports by largely ignoring them, the Cupertino-based tech giant has done something rather unprecedented. It's calling out a media source that published false information.

    Recently, BGR published an alleged email correspondence between an angry iPhone 4 customer and Apple CEO Steve Jobs. In the email exchange, Jobs responded to the harsh criticisms with terse, condescending remarks like: "You are getting all worked up over a few days of rumors. Calm down." Within a short period of time, these comments from Steve Jobs exploded across the web and were taken as fact.

    The only problem is that an Apple spokesperson is explicitly addressing the story, which was first covered by BGR. According to Fortune, "Asked on the record whether Steve Jobs was the author of any of these statements, a top Apple spokesman emphatically denied it." Implying that BGR is basically reporting false information, the Apple spokesperson wanted to be clear - Steve Jobs didn't make the comments or draft the email that circulated around the web at lightning speed.

    Of course, it should be noted that the published email, while alleged to be fake, isn't necessarily the brainchild of BGR. In fact, there are hoaxsters just as there are hackers, and they get a thrill by convincing the big boys in print and online media to lend coverage to their fabricated stories. What's more, it's a safe bet that most readers, including our savvy readership at MMi, take every rumored email from Steve Jobs with a grain of salt - a practice that now more than ever warrants continuing.
    It's odd that you post this story today, when it is essentially only including the stuff that happened yesterday. *Today* BGR fired back and said it's not fake, the guy who gave (sold) them the emails gave them access to his gmail account so they could log in and see the headers for themselves. They analyzed the headers, and unless one of the servers in the headers was hacked (mostly Apple servers), then the email did in fact originate from Steve Jobs's email account.

    I think when this pans out, we'll discover what happened was this:

    1) When BGR first posted the story, they accidentally attributed one of the lines to Steve Jobs that was written by the other correspondent. It was along the lines of "Relax. Retire. It's just a phone".

    2) BGR later corrects this error, but by then Apple had already been asked for comment on the story by some other media organization and checked the validity of the story with that quote specifically. Since Steve Jobs never said it, they come back and say "Nope, it's fake."

    In other words, this he said/she said doesn't end with one side or the other being proven false, but rather with a sort of messy miscommunication.

    If this theory of events is correct, then the email exchange is not fake and Steve Jobs really did say "You are getting all worked up over a few days of rumors. Calm down." He just never said the line about "It's just a phone" as was originally reported. Apple erred in their blanket response that the entire correspondence was fake, but only after BGR erred in originally attributing that quote to Steve Jobs.

    Because it is oh so hard to copy/paste a header from a real email and apply to a fake one
    Log into your gmail account and see if you can find a way to edit the headers to an email. Not finding one? I thought not. Since BGR says they got to log into the email account directly and see the headers first-hand, then they are either *lying* about seeing the headers and forging them themselves, or Apple was lying in their denial. Or simply see above for my theory of how this all went down. Either way, though, the idea that the guy who gave BGR the emails forged the headers is not plausible.
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    Anyone with skills can forge e-mail headers to say that it was received from anyone. Geez..

    Could spoof the originating IP and DNS name so it looked legit if you came and sat down at my desk to read it.. Would even look legit on the incoming server logs.

    Headers prove nothing these days people, unless there is a log of this on Apple's actual SMTP server take it with a grain of salt. I wonder what Apple's retention policy looks like.

    P.S. Look out for the nasty e-mail Steve is sending me tomorrow... lol - kidding
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrian1480 View Post
    except they have the full header file that proves it was from Apple.

    it's below. check out the IP addresses yourself. the only question now is why is Apple lying about it.



    The entire Steve Jobs email story… It’s real Boy Genius Report

    Come clean, Apple. You'll be hated less.
    . You a hatter

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    Quote Originally Posted by barryson77 View Post
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    congratulations on your first post it was great

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    So ur basically saying that steves email account was hacked and sold so how can this letter be legit if someone else had access to it for u all you know BGR could of accessed the account wrote an email to themselves and there ya go

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    We should probably stop worrying about a single reply from Steve regardless if it were true or not. I want to see what they're ACTUALLY going to do to solve this problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrotek View Post
    Anyone with skills can forge e-mail headers to say that it was received from anyone. Geez..

    Could spoof the originating IP and DNS name so it looked legit if you came and sat down at my desk to read it.. Would even look legit on the incoming server logs.

    Headers prove nothing these days people, unless there is a log of this on Apple's actual SMTP server take it with a grain of salt. I wonder what Apple's retention policy looks like.

    P.S. Look out for the nasty e-mail Steve is sending me tomorrow... lol - kidding
    wouldn't google know that they spoofed the DNS? Couldn't they just trace the message back to the real sender ?

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