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    Default Apple Sues HTC to Scare Competitors


    Apple is suing rival phone maker HTC - whose popular phones are helping drive the upswing in Android sales - in order to scare off other potential competitors, according to a financial analyst with ties to the mobile phone industry. Yair Reiner of Oppenheimer Research said in a report to his clients that his "industry checks" led him to the conclusion that the legal action is "meaningfully disrupting" manufacturers' plans for new phones.

    According to Fortune magazine's Apple 2.0 blog, Reiner traces the hardball Apple strategy back to a conference call early last year, where Apple number-two Tim Cook issued a blunt warning to any company thinking of making an iPhone killer. He said Apple "will not stand for having our IP ripped off and we'll use whatever weapons we have at our disposal," concluding - in a combination of corporate formality and mafioso-style threat - that "I don't know that I can be more clear than that."

    Reiner said that the warning had the desired effect on companies thinking of coming out with touchscreen phones: LG, Samsung, and Nokia all backed off. When Palm came out with its Pre, Apple pretty much turned the other way, since Palm sells so few phones compared to Apple. When the Motorola Droid and HTC Eris Android-based phones shipped at the end of the year, though, the strategy shifted. Reiner says Apple figured that if it didn't respond to the challenge, other competitors would consider it a "green light." So Apple pounced on HTC, which - unlike Motorola - works with different suppliers than Apple does, and which manufactures the Nexus One phone for the Cupertino company's hated rival: Google.

    Reiner says the strategy is working. Up until now, he wrote, companies have been mainly focused on avoiding making their mobiles too "iPhone-like" in terms of the user interface. Now, he says, they are looking at any technology that might come under a patent challenge. "We believe a lot of software and hardware is being sent back to engineering departments for work-arounds," Reiner told his clients.

    Apple sued HTC last week in both the US International Trade Commission and the US. District Court in Delaware, charging that HTC had infringed more than 20 patents on iPhone technology. The suit asks for HTC to be banned from importing and selling phones into the US, and demands triple damages and maximum interest.

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    Scare off competition? That sounds like socialism to me...wouldn't be much different to today's government though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adp View Post
    Scare off competition? That sounds like socialism to me...wouldn't be much different to today's government though.
    erm, socialism simply means to have all industry owned by the government. socialism is the innability of companies to make any decisions at all, scaring off competition is unmoderated capitalism.

    kid, how old are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolcats1 View Post
    erm, socialism simply means to have all industry owned by the government. socialism is the innability of companies to make any decisions at all, scaring off competition is unmoderated capitalism.

    kid, how old are you?
    your correct on the socialism thing,but what apple is trying to do is become a monopoly,which is specifically barred by us law

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    Funny how an asian company has been in court with Apple regarding infringement on their touch technology yet the analy-proprietary Apple is cying and suing HTC for infringements. Seems like Apple is a scared pathetic little company that does not practice what they preach.

    For those that didn't know that....the rights to the touch technology is owned by an Asian company but Apple didn't bother paying them for stealing their technology, so now they're in court.

    I don't own an Apple, never will, can't do a damn thing with it because the anal propriety crap. No wonder MS dominates the world market. I do own an iPod, but that will stop when a more user-friendly device has surfaced by a better company with less fears.

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    EDIT: Google this: sues apple

    You'd be amazed at the lawsuits, I didn't know it but they even sued a school and a grocery company whose logo looked nothing like theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adp View Post
    Scare off competition? That sounds like socialism to me...wouldn't be much different to today's government though.
    Wow, talk about diarrhea of the mouth.... besides the "socialism" we already had here in America: Fire dpt, police dpt, public schools, medicare ect.... tell me one thing that has become "socialist".

    As far as the joke lawsuits, pretty douche thing to do. Whats the matter apple, afraid someone might actually compete with iPhone?
    Last edited by rkswat; 03-10-2010 at 03:48 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Quote Originally Posted by rkswat View Post
    Wow, talk about diarrhea of the mouth.... besides the "socialism" we already had here in America: Fire dpt, police dpt, public schools, medicare ect.... tell me one thing that has become "socialist".
    none of what you said made sense there. rrhea means the increased abnormal flow of, and his statement was shorter than the one you used to try an attack him.

    the second thing you said disproves itself. you said public services, and yes they are socialist, but not in the terms of government.

    but then you go on and say "tell me one thing", even though you just listen 4 of them.

    what are you trying to say? because you didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by adp View Post
    Scare off competition? That sounds like socialism to me...wouldn't be much different to today's government though.
    I wouldn't say Socialism as much as monopoly. But even still, I disagree. If they were suing EVERY phone company that put out a phone, and were pushing more and more Apple phones on people until there were no other choices left...then yes.

    But this is a case of copyright infringement. That's a major no-no, especially in the US. Apple, is in the right. And besides. HTC blows major balls! I had the wing. WORST. PHONE. EVER! I have had free phones that worked better than that piece of crap. I hope Apple wins and gets everything they are after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP101 View Post
    But this is a case of copyright infringement. That's a major no-no, especially in the US. Apple, is in the right. And besides. HTC blows major balls! I had the wing. WORST. PHONE. EVER! I have had free phones that worked better than that piece of crap. I hope Apple wins and gets everything they are after.
    um how exactly is it copyright infringement just cause apple says so? its clearly a scare tacit because apple knows they have competition now and are losing ground. BTW just cause you had a bad experience with one phone dont mean HTC is bad, i mean my iphone broke i dont know how many times and i still thought of it as a great phone until i switched cause i got sick of fixing it

    Quote Originally Posted by JP101 View Post
    I just have one question. If Google is the "Hated Rival" of Apple, why do they have Google Maps and Google Search on the iPhone?
    maybe you have not payed attention lately but at one time they were friends and then went downhill after apple rejected google's app for not apparent reason, then apple started making their own mapping service that is speculated to come out in 4.0
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    This was covered, by me, on the front page over a week ago......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melech518 View Post
    This was covered, by me, on the front page over a week ago......
    No the lawsuit was covered by you. This article is not focused on the lawsuit, but the underlying reasons.
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    ^ I knew I had read it somewhere...
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    It's more like "protect what is yours". Scaring is a bit strong lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChaos View Post
    It's more like "protect what is yours". Scaring is a bit strong lol
    Captainchaos stop humping the laser beam

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    "Mr Jobs, we have taken the liberty of upgrading your desk as you requested."

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    What does that mean "to hump a laserbeam"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainChaos View Post
    What does that mean "to hump a laserbeam"?
    Never seen Austin Powers?

    your like mini me humping a giant laser while Dr. Evil is blackmailing the world.

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    Apple has lost their mind.. I for one would prefer a HTC Legend over my Iphone 3GS any day at the moment. It's overall a better deal in comparison. Maybe 4G will keep people on the iphone and give them a reason to jump to HTC. How about competition instead of bullying *******!?!?!

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    Apple is a bunch of haters :P suck it apple should be happy you had the head start you've had
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    Quote Originally Posted by screamforme02 View Post
    Apple is a bunch of haters :P suck it apple should be happy you had the head start you've had
    WTF, dude, really? They should be happy? They basically bet the ranch on the success of the iPhone and iTunes as appliance and distribution for content. And it paid off in spades. They worked for it. MS was the company that 'lucked' and cajoled their way into success.

    Apple is a bunch of haters? They created a market where none had existed and a lot of people are making some serious bank off it (eg., there would be no Cydia or MMY were it not for Apple.)

    And, yes, this is not about scaring anyone who wants to come out with a new phone, with a new interface and a new way of doing things. It's entirely about protecting their IP -- that's 'Intellectual Property'. That's what they created. Would I be going out too far on a limb to suggest that you're in the 'software wants to be free' group along with all the other TPB leachers?

    If you came out with something that looked like a Mac, and called it a 'Wac', that ran 'X OS' instead of 'OS X', expect to get sued. Apple has a ton of patents relating to their products. You may think they've gone over the top with some of their patents (I think the patent office folks need some help to better weed out the frivolous and unoriginal ideas), but until they've been successfully challenged, those patents are something they need to and do actively protect -- for the same reason 'Coca Cola' sues anyone trying to use 'Coke' as a generic term: it's a brand name, it's their IP.

    So, I don't think there was anything wrong with what Cook said. If HTC wants to innovate and come up with something new that isn't in an Apple patent, they'd be set. But look at their history: they started out making other companies stuff (HP/Compaq) and when they started making their own branded stuff most of it was knock-offs of that, or Motorola, or Nokia, running WinMobile. Hardly innovative.

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