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03-11-2010, 09:26 AM #41
All you guys thinking that apple is just doing the right thing here, think about this for a second. Why is it that all the devices brought up in the suit are involving Android OS and not WinMo? HTC has been making devices with slide to unlock since the Manila Interface came out on the Diamond, which was also a Windows Mobile phone. Users at X D A have been making iPhone knockoff today screens on Windows Mobile since the OS was first shown off. No cease and desist letters, no acknowledgement whatsoever.
*Looks at his recently purchased multi-touch, capacitive screen HD2, with gesture based unlock, that runs Windows Mobile*
Apple is after Google, plain and simple. They are afraid of the momentum Android has picked up, which is justified. Theyve gotten complacent with their products and it has allowed a search engine company make a OS that has surpassed their own. What makes it despicable is their back alley approach to attacking the problem. I understand companies are created to make money, but the way in which they do such is as important to me as the product they offer. Glad I sold my 3gs and got back to a platform that is both powerful and open. Not to mention FAR superior to the iPhone in every technical aspect. I dont care about the lack of software, it has what I use, and as far as games, I can play every GBA game ever created, and can run Final Fantasy 9 at 60FPS, without needing to jailbreak. Real Racing? How bout GranTurismo with tilt steering...EVGA P55LE Mobo/Core [email protected]/Corsair H50
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03-11-2010, 03:19 PM #42
I would also like to add. How they do business? So they are supposed to bend over and take it when another company is making money off their work? If EU says Google/HTC is committing infringement that is what you are telling them to do. As you said it yourself you gave up your iPhone so what does it matter to you other than you losing some features that belongs to Apple?Could some of those features make the Android less appealing? If it does then it certainly means Android platform has been making money off Apple's patents, and copyrights.
I think it's within Apple's right to sue to ensure they protect what is theirs. There is no wrong in what Apple does in the case. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong. They are backed by the law. If it was wrong Apple couldn't do what they are doing now don't you think? Case would have been thrown out the window as soon as it hit the judges desk. So Apple must have some merit in the case.
They talk about 10 infringements, but there are actually 20. 10 are all that are listed. I wonder what the other 10 are about.
03-11-2010, 03:48 PM #43
Taking your view point Apple should pay Nokia, Apple have actually stolen technology and research from Nokia that is far more important than the patents they are suing HTC over - namely how a mobile phone works as a mobile phone. All major phone manufactures recognize Nokia for their work and pay to use their tech and research, Apple think they are above this and think its unreasonable yet they readily expect other companies who create similar products to pay them, Apple is angry and is using whatever means to try and disrupt the competition as they see Android and specifically HTC due to the up and coming release of some very good smartphones, so IMO Apple shouldn't sue but innovate, put money into new ideas to recapture the excitement of the first iPhone because atm Android is doing that.
03-11-2010, 03:51 PM #44The Pot Calling the Kettle Black
Funny how an asian company has been in court with Apple regarding infringement on their touch technology yet the analy-proprietary Apple is cying and suing HTC for infringements. Seems like Apple is a scared pathetic little company that does not practice what they preach.
For those that didn't know that....the rights to the touch technology is owned by an Asian company but Apple didn't bother paying them for stealing their technology, so now they're in court.
I don't own an Apple, never will, can't do a damn thing with it because the anal propriety crap. No wonder MS dominates the world market. I do own an iPod, but that will stop when a more user-friendly device has surfaced by a better company with less fears.
*NOTE: There are apps on the appstore and on jailbreak sites, some of these apps are violating privacy laws by sending your information without your knowledge to the author. This is how some apps are checking for cracked versions of their app. This includes email apps that store your email passwords where the app is coded to send information from your device to the author in the background. Some won't even function without a connection even if the app doesn't need one to work. Use FIREWALL IP or just be careful.
EDIT: Google this: sues apple
You'd be amazed at the lawsuits, I didn't know it but they even sued a school and a grocery company whose logo looked nothing like theirs.
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03-11-2010, 09:44 PM #45
I guess you two didn't read everything I typed or understand what I type.
I don't care if it's Apple, Nokia, RIM, Palm, and whatever company that wants to sue. It is within their RIGHT to sue anyone they believe is infringing on their patents or copyrights. Even if you don't not agree with it doesn't mean it's WRONG.
No matter what we say it holds no bearings on what is at hand. Courts will decide and that will be the end of it. If you don't like a company for suing another company well then don't buy their products and don't support them. If you buy their products you are supporting them. They still get money from you.
I don't care about the lawsuits, as all companies will do it from time to time to jockey for position. Honestly looking at some of the patents Apple has a case. Before anyone calls me a Apple Fanboy... I have 3 Android devices and 1 iPhone 3GS(sitting in it's box). I am calling it down the middle. Do I care if Apple wins? No. Do I care if they don't? No. I'd still use my devices I paid for. If I didn't like the devices how they are or I can't make the devices do what I want to do within reasoning then I don't buy them.
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03-12-2010, 12:57 AM #46
Nokia sure backed off... with the N900. Nokia is not afraid of Apple, they are already suing each other.
03-12-2010, 01:24 AM #47Apple Should Sue CopyCats
Apple is a bunch of haters? They created a market where none had existed and a lot of people are making some serious bank off it (eg., there would be no Cydia or MMY were it not for Apple.)
And, yes, this is not about scaring anyone who wants to come out with a new phone, with a new interface and a new way of doing things. It's entirely about protecting their IP -- that's 'Intellectual Property'. That's what they created. Would I be going out too far on a limb to suggest that you're in the 'software wants to be free' group along with all the other TPB leachers?
If you came out with something that looked like a Mac, and called it a 'Wac', that ran 'X OS' instead of 'OS X', expect to get sued. Apple has a ton of patents relating to their products. You may think they've gone over the top with some of their patents (I think the patent office folks need some help to better weed out the frivolous and unoriginal ideas), but until they've been successfully challenged, those patents are something they need to and do actively protect -- for the same reason 'Coca Cola' sues anyone trying to use 'Coke' as a generic term: it's a brand name, it's their IP.
So, I don't think there was anything wrong with what Cook said. If HTC wants to innovate and come up with something new that isn't in an Apple patent, they'd be set. But look at their history: they started out making other companies stuff (HP/Compaq) and when they started making their own branded stuff most of it was knock-offs of that, or Motorola, or Nokia, running WinMobile. Hardly innovative.
03-12-2010, 06:49 AM #48
The most HTC phones are innovated, new and very good, MS didn't 'luck' there way to the top, thats an ignorant statement, the is a reason why MS is the market leader and the standard used for across world both in the home and business, I'm not saying Apple hasn't worked hard but I don't like their tactics, I know all companies doe stuff like this but Apple seem to do it alot and expect others to bend over but refuse to pay themselves. Personally I wish HTC the best, Android at its current rate of growth is doing very well and could quite easily sneak up on Apple.
03-12-2010, 07:33 PM #49
This is why no matter what we think or say doesn't matter we are not there, and have nothing on what's going on until everything is presented to the courts, and they reveal their findings.
03-12-2010, 07:55 PM #50
I love apple products and the iPhone but I do feel that Apple is going a little over the top.