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03-04-2010, 11:07 AM #21
I'm sorry.. but i like adobe. Despite what a lot of people here are saying, Flash (and before, shockwave) has done amazing things for everyones internet experience. They have good software, and Microsoft and Apple both know this.
Apple refusing to put flash on their phone is not just a compatibility issue. It is, like another user mentioned, content and product control. Apple makes a great product like the iphone and now everyone has to bend what they already have to make it compatible. why? because apple is selfish
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03-04-2010, 11:08 AM #22
i think its awesome and hopefully all websites will eventually switch to html and i can get rid of flash and its stupid updates
03-04-2010, 12:08 PM #23
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03-04-2010, 12:16 PM #24
Hopefully this is a trend
03-04-2010, 02:00 PM #25
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03-04-2010, 02:00 PM #26
03-04-2010, 02:18 PM #27
Two Thumbs Up!!.. I don't know why I cannot see a website content on my IPhone just because it has flash on it...
This way I would be able to see the entire site.
03-04-2010, 05:12 PM #28
Still no Flash x64 player for Windows. Steve Jobs was right, Adobe is lazy. Screw them.
03-04-2010, 06:10 PM #29
you know considering they dont have a mobile site, it is kind of pointless...
03-05-2010, 04:53 AM #30
03-05-2010, 06:11 AM #31
Spot on mate
03-05-2010, 06:34 AM #32
I can't wait for flash to die. I WILL NOT POUR A 40 FOR YOU FLASH. YOU WILL BE BURIED IN AN UNMARKED GRAVE IN THE HILLS OF MESOPOTANIA FOR ALL I CARE.
CAPS LOCK IS LAME BUT I CANT EXPRESS HOW MUCH I HATE FLASH
03-05-2010, 06:40 AM #33
Amen to that
03-05-2010, 05:10 PM #34
@ ryanofdiamonds - good post. @ luppin - funny.
I recently had this conversation with a friend after the iPad announcement and instead of trying to remember what was said, I'm going to just copy and paste as I'm interested in the other viewpoints... Let me know first point out, that I do think Competition is GREAT for any company. But please remember, Adobe is a direct competitor with Apple in many areas... Which I believe is one of the main reasons Apple is trying to kill Adobe's platforms.
Here's my thoughts on the subject:
Me:"It is beyond ridiculous the iPad doesn't allow flash content to work..." Response: "Flash is a bad implementation of a good idea. It will be replaced with HTML5"
Me: "Flash is an "EXISTING implementation of a GREAT idea..." And its mainly a security risk if you don't set your preferences right. HTML5 will be great when it actually exists in the mainstream but until that happens you have the 35% of all websites using flash but more importantly, you have ALOT of your most popular websites using flash (which makes a big difference in user interactivity on a daily basis, etc).
The Flash Player is installed on 99% of Internet-enabled desktops worldwide and on a wide range of popular devices.
P.S. I want them to make this: A Macbook Air that has the iPad for a screen and you can flip-fold the screen back down over the very thin keyboard for use as well! And I want it to run both the iPhone apps and my standard Desktop apps that I've already purchased... That is my perfect touchscreen device! =)"
Response "- - Too many to post here - -" Me: "My point still remains though, launching this thing (and the iPhone) without flash is just being ignorant to what your customers want (although, in reality they are not ignorant and have business model reasons why they don't want to help keep flash as the standard, their own quicktime platform being one of them).
But to me, it's basically the same as them launching the first iPhone with no SMS. They said, yea but you can just use your email now, thinking this would be the new normal. But they were wrong and later added SMS... or even better, launching the iPhone with web apps only and not opening their system for DEV (obv. they were wrong and changed their mind about that one :-)
"The San Francisco Chronicle’s Ryan Kim posted a piece in which he said that Adobe told him iPhone and iPod touch users want Flash “a lot.” The company pointed to the more than seven million Flash download attempts from iPhones and iPod touches during December"
Also, "53 percent of smartphones supporting Flash by 2012", so who do you think web creators are going to be designing for? (hint: the majority of users) This guy says it all better than I: Open Access to Content and Applications (Adobe Featured Blogs)
Wouldn't the video bits they're wanting to replace flash with in HTML5 will be the same amount of bandwidth or more (as it won't use youtubes built in player)?
Now if only Stevo and the OS creators would read these extremely long and unnecessary postings - they might change their minds. Ok, hopping off the box now.
P.S. This is the nerdiest debate I've had this year "
03-05-2010, 08:21 PM #35
You're wrong and if you side with flags you're basically dead on the inside.
Not metaphorically, literally dead.
On the inside.
03-06-2010, 01:56 AM #36
iPhone - Jailbreak = Dumb-phone!
03-06-2010, 09:48 PM #37
i for one am extremely excited to see a force of change in action. this is good to hearkillall Terminal
03-06-2010, 09:51 PM #38
03-09-2010, 12:37 PM #39
So what makes you think Adobe will make any effort to make flash work for iPhone OS?
Apple was the first to remove floppy drives from its computers btw.