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02-28-2010, 04:46 AM #41
02-28-2010, 07:00 AM #42
Sure, Apple bears some shame for this. But they take action to try and prevent it.
Nike, the Gap and hundreds of other brands just sweep this kind of information under the rug.
This news, and the fact that Apple conducts inspections and cancels contracts with violators is why I shall keep buying Apple.
No company can be perfect. But the fact that Apple will call itself out and fix it makes them better than almost every other company out there. At least on the "social conscience" front.
02-28-2010, 07:25 AM #43
Shocking!Asking for help is different from being stupid. Fanboys can rot in @#$%!
02-28-2010, 08:41 AM #44
democracy (america and western europe) = first world
soviet union = second world
non aligned countries (who gain no benefit from being funded by a super power to maintain their political structure) = third world
how does knowing what is what make me ignorant?
children have worked alongside parents (and the like) since the dawn of time.
it's not since the industrial revolution that we had the "great idea" to pack them into factories.
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02-28-2010, 08:44 AM #45
Sad, but really doesnt suprise me at all. Apple is so cheap they ship everything directly from china.Add me up on xbox live gamertag clikzip.
02-28-2010, 08:51 AM #46
02-28-2010, 09:00 AM #47
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As for making it here in america, the labor cost is only part of the equation. Don't forget all the onerous red tape that has to be dealt with. You'll pay a fortune just importing the parts AS PARTS and then have to assemble them with an american labor pool that actually gets pissed off when you make them work. Workers in foreign countries that NEED WORK will just dive right in and keep working till the job is done. Sure the pay is bad by OUR standards but where they are the alternative is simply this: NO WORK. And when you don't work, you don't eat. What would you do?
People that try to force companies not to do business with places like this end up hurting the people that live there. When the jobs dry up, these people don't have the resources to move and look for work elsewhere. Sure it SOUNDS compassionate. Don't deal with companies that make their workers work over 60 hours. But when you stop doing business with them, they lay off the very people you think you are helping and these people have no other work and no welfare to carry them over till the next job. Think about it. If you could talk to these people, they would tell you the same thing: "sure my job sucks but it's WAY better than no job."
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02-28-2010, 09:49 AM #48
Well, I for one hope my phone wasn't built with any child labor. Children tend to do sloppy work when it comes to electronics.
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02-28-2010, 10:23 AM #49
Buid them in cheap labor countries, sell them at high prices...
Awww come'on! anyone can see why use kids.. Cause their small fingers can hold the small parts better, not to mention the wages you can pay them just make the profit margen just that much higher....
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02-28-2010, 10:50 AM #50
My thoughts exactly... Duuuhhhh...like they didn't know.
Corporate exec One: This foreign country can manufacture our product for pennies on the dollar! Whoopeee...let's do it!
Corporate exec Two: Wow! How are they cutting the costs so low?
Corporate exec One: Well, I hear they're a country of dirt farmers. So their laborers are happy with 15 cents an hour. Plus hard work is part of their religion. It's their way...it makes 'em happy!
Corporate exec Two: Great...lucky us! But this seems too good to be true.
Corporate exec One: Shhhhhhhh. We have to stay competitive! We have employees to pay and share holders to keep happy!
Corporate exec Two: I smell trouble.
Corporate exec One: Dude shut up and let's close this deal so we can get paid! Besides if anyone finds out...we'll make an incredulous apology, donate to Amnesty International and commit to being better...blah blah blah; you know the drill. All will be forgiven and we'll still get paid!
Corporate exec Two: You're so right!
Sorry...I just can't help myself. Believe me there's a LOT more cynicism where that came from. Of course Apple is doing something about it. The question is, are we the "human rights conscious" consumers going to hold them to it or just forget about it in a few months when we're whining about the higher price of the next generation iPhone? We all know the answer to that question is a big fat, "NO!" to the former, and "YES!" to the latter.
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02-28-2010, 11:24 AM #51
Child labor makes the world go round... We say under paid, which they are, is still usually pretty good money where they come from. I need my nikes yoHey! A Restore Never Hurts It's True!
02-28-2010, 11:58 AM #52
02-28-2010, 03:02 PM #53
If you are too lazy this is the definition from Wiktionary:
suffix of -ism on how the original post was used: a principle, belief or movement.
Even if we take what you believe how the word was used, out of the original post: "China, Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, South Korea, the Czech Republic, Philippines and the U.S." Out of all this only 2 countries (China and Czech republic) that had anything to do with Communism, so majority is democratic state! and yes Taiwan is Democratic state, people elect their representative. I take offense that Taiwan was mentioned BY YOU as Communist state, because I was born in Taiwan. Might want to do some research before talking so you might be a bit more believable and not look like a hysterical little kid.
Don't get on your "Apple high horse" so quickly. Apple would not go to all the countries that is listed if they do not want to exploit cheap labor and parts. Yes this time Apple caught its supplier before it escalates into something bigger, but it could have easily be some human rights group that catches Apple.
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02-28-2010, 03:39 PM #54
COngrats to Apple for actually doing something like an audit, how many other US companies can't be bothered in the name of profits for them and their foriegn counterpasts. I applaud Apple not chastize them!
02-28-2010, 04:52 PM #55
03-01-2010, 06:06 AM #56
i watched so programme about working in uk and the british workers were stupid, lazy and to emotional and they complain way to much while these kids bustin they back so they can eat. these lazy westerners should see that even tho they are exploited they will do anything for a meal and they are also building one of the best devices weve seen. i really admire these kids and they do "in their eyes" and honest means of survival even tho these crooked companies get rich
03-01-2010, 07:49 AM #57
WalMart used to have that "American Made" policy until they realized it was cheaper to buy/make overseas.
We love fancy expensive gadgets but don't charge us too much for them. We only want then to LOOK expensive. Oh..and if it's not too much to ask... we want it yesterday
03-01-2010, 01:06 PM #58
Many liberalists here, excusing child labour by saying "it's always been around.....it's the way it is....a [email protected] job is better than no job".
Been brainwashed well and truly by State Media, CNN, Fox, Daily Racist (ooops, Mail), Sun <-----Apply as you see fit.
It's been around awhile because many people demand cheap goods, whatever the consequences. Also, Apple etc. continue to give these factories business, so it is fully within their (Apple etc.) capacities to raise the wages and "make" the factories respect the rules, or even have their own centre in said country. But that might hurt profits, which would not be good for Mr Jobs & all.
It is the major corp.'s that hold the power to raise the wages and consequently, the standard of living, of course coupled with the countries in question. Do you think S.Korea had as a high a standard of living before they got involved?
Also, if you read a bit, you will find child labour is also used in UK and USA, in illegal/unregulated factories. Cleaners? Fruit pickers?
For the geo-political ignoramuses, "Western World" also includes Japan and Australia, NOT just W.Europe and Americas. "Third World" is also not used anymore, except by anachronists, the current terminology, however vulgar is "under-developed", "developing" and "developed" nation states.
And Apple caring?? Hahaha, good one. They shaft their own customers (who give Apple power and profit) by denying problems ( until recently) with expensive imacs. Think they care about people they have to pay and who don't give Apple money?
They only alert about 3 factories as they don't want their all-mighty profits to suffer from bad press. Instead a bunch of morons will say, "cool Apple, they're doing something about it, they care." The rest of us will see through the BS, but still buy the new phones.
By the way, when in June does it come out? ;-)
03-01-2010, 04:31 PM #59
on a brighter side, this will give the kids good working ethics early
both well said
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03-01-2010, 07:16 PM #60
pfft. Apple just uncovered this so so random person wouldnt uncover it first and blame it on Apple